ECOTAZ ECO Fuelsystems Fuel Enhancers - Does it work?

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  1. RedForeman

    RedForeman Momentum Conservationist

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    Injun's post agrees with my thoughts for the most part. I've voiced my skepticism one time way back and that's enough. Although I'm on the fence due to the mystery science aspect and biased with experience on other like devices, I'm not ruling out a purchase. I am now seeing the results from people we know and trust, good or not so good as the case may be.

    The 4-wheeler video has zero bearing on this thread. You can add 5 psi to the big offroad tires on an suv and get measurable mpg gains. The semis on the other hand are much more controlled, consistent, and measured - not to mention since way before this guy came along pitching his product. Not perfect, but much more consistent than one 4 wheeler sample.
     
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  3. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    Because it's long, I won't put it here, but everyone needs to read M818's post #32: http://www.thetruckersreport.com/truckingindustryforum/ask-an-owner-operator/122596-ecotaz-eco-fuelsystems-fuel-enhancers-does.html#post2039279

    Ecotaz immediately responds by attacking the motives of the doubters
    and jumps right back into his sales pitch, never addressing even one of M818's valid points.

    Shortly following, we have this:
    My,my! First off, because the molecules in question are carbon chains, breaking those chains is indeed "cracking" the molecule. It's just double-speak. Claiming they didn't claim what they turn around and then claim!:biggrin_25524:

    Secondly, vapor pressure is a chemical property, related to the structure of the molecules. The only way to change the vapor pressure of substance is to change it's chemical composition; in this case, "crack" the molecules.

    If you've read this thread, you'll have noticed a trend. The technical aspects of this device don't matter, as they are routinely brushed aside as insignificant because "it works!" The motives of any challenger are questioned (yep, I once worked for Phillips 66! Please ignore anything I have to say...) and always, ALWAYS; your attention is diverted to the money.

    So let's talk money. Here we have a simple device, relatively inexpensive to manufacture, that improves both the performance and economy of any engine. The automakers and engine builders of the world would offer their virgin daughters for such a device. Yet after 10 years, there is not one factory application?
    *puts on tinfoil hat*
    The oil companies must be paying those companies billions of dollars to ignore this product!
     
  4. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    I'm confused. What does this video prove? Seems the guy is not happy but a 4-wheeler using the product and semi driver is like comparing apples to oranges.

    Let's keep this focussed on semi drivers. that is what this forum and thread is about.
     
  5. ECOTAZ

    ECOTAZ Light Load Member

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    First off I would not accept a bunch of virgins for our Product because I know what happens there. Secondly who has said that we have no projects ongoing with anyone? You would be surprised! As for the science, science is complicated and I am sure that sooner or later the science on this device will be divulged just like the Helicopter, the Hummingbird, and the Bumblebee.
    Secondly, when I came on this Forum I asked for testers to PROVE that our device worked on saving fuel. Never did I say we wanted to figure out how it worked. I specifically chose these drivers according to truck engine make and model, years experience, and type of driving. In all of the volunteers, not one NAY-Sayer volunteered. Now that the results have been coming in for several weeks positive and repetitive all the scientist are pulling strings everywhere to disprove the Testers.
    Here is something else we know in science, that if one test is done, it is subjective, if two tests are done it is still somewhat subjective, but if 5 or more are done repetitive then it has Merit! That I believe is why RedForeman has cracked the door open to take a second peek.
    I thank you for your open minded approach now Sir.
    The definition of Prejudiced is saying something negative about something you know nothing about. None of the scientist here have ever tried one of these units, infact one couldn't even describe the unit correctly.
    Here is something else we all know on this forum, Niether the Nay-Sayers nor myself pay for your fuel. It comes out of your profit.
    I do not have anything to hide, and I am confident enough on the product to allow complete total strangers that are professionals in their feild to test and post their findings. Good or Bad.
    I will bet you that if the results would have been the other way you would not have heard from any of the Nay-Sayers or Scientist..

    Here is the Questions you should be asking the Testers Big Bad Bill, Gerardo 1961, Nevs, The Truckist, Trucknationtransport, Mr. Plum Crazy, Rollin Coal, Newly Crusin, Oilfieltrash and a few others:

    1. With your experience of the ECO #5 would you now Pay $375.00 for that unit?

    2. With your experience of the ECO #5 would you take it off and send it back?

    Again our product is not rocket science. We cause a better air to fuel ratio creating a better burn of your fuel.
    Increasing the performance, Increasing Fuel Economy and Lower emissions.

    I will not apoligize again for being a salesman because I am proud of my business and I respect Truckers as well. I had experience driving for our Families Business from April of 1974 thru August of 1978. My wife covinced me to turn in my keys. That was many moons ago and diesel was under a buck a gallon.

    Injun I respect you and I thank you for the beating this morning but at least you did not call my product Snakeoil, I believe Doohickey sounds a little better.

    Ben/ECOTAZ
     
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  6. newly crusin

    newly crusin Medium Load Member

    3rd run:
    410 miles-consumed 59 gallons of fuel....6.9 mpg...
    an increase of about .1mpg than I usually get....

    Loaded to 79,900 pounds gross ...

    Average speed of 64-65 mph

    New air filter and replaced both fuel filters( 10 micron) ...so I can choose a good starting reference point....

    crusin
     
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  7. Injun

    Injun Road Train Member

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    Ben, it wasn't my intent to "beat" you. I am watching this thread and the results being reported. I don't believe I have disparaged your product in any form or fashion.

    "Doohickey" is actually a technical word used mostly by women to name items having to do with mechanical workings. It is not to be confused with "Hoochiemagoochie," which is used to describe almost anything hanging on the garage wall; "Thingajiggy," which is used for nearly everything in the kids' rooms or "Thatdarnthingoverthere," which is used exclusively for computer stuff. It wasn't meant as a dig on your product.
     
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  8. BigBadBill

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    1148 miles, 7.78 mpg, about 15K and tall load. 30-40% of trip dealt with slight head or cross wind.
     
  9. BigBadBill

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    Eating dinner in Minot, ND and a guy keeps looking at his phone and then at me. Back and forth.

    I smile and go about my business but getting a little un-easy.

    He finally speaks up and asks if I'm BigBadBill from Truckers Report.

    Yeah, that's me. I haven't been calling you an idiot or troll have I?

    Nope, he has been following this thread that a buddy forwarded to him and is looking at trying this.

    So, showed him my installation and all my fuel numbers since January.

    So Tom, if you are reading this you have to contact Ben and join the forum. Spelling is not graded and we can always use another O/O to keep us in line.
     
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  10. heavyhaulerss

    heavyhaulerss Road Train Member

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    I want to have my opinion on the posting of ECOTAZ of every drivers results... yeah it can sound like he is talking down to ya as if ya cannot add. but I guess it's how you interpret it. I for one like like the detailed results put on by ECO, why? cause I am usually tired, lazy, & when at home on comp, I would rather not pull out the calculator, but just have to read the bottom line that someone else already figured up. there can be hundreds, or thousands of people reading this thread, how does ECO, know which wording will offend? we all say, things, post things that could be better presented, but no one can please all the readers. I overlook any preconceived notion about ECO, by reading what the drivers testing the product have to say about it. no matter what ECO say's pro or con about it's product.. it AINT gonna get past the people on this forum doing the actual test of the product. I enjoy every one's point of view always.
     
  11. ECOTAZ

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    ECO-Systems is very simple Technology. Scientist will argue with our definition, but it does not surprise me since we cannot get our own guru's to agree on the exact science. Engineers in California with Southern Cal Gas see what we do on the reduction of diesel consumption with the large generators but still disagree amongst themselves as to how it works exactly.
    Can an ECO-System lose mileage?
    No, there is nothing in our system that will cause you to lose mileage.
    That is why it is very important to compare apples to apples while testing.
    Now I can take a unit and install and the put the hammer down and run heavier load with a head wind and probably lose mileage. However if you have kept up with the testers you can see that even then ECO-Systems is still showing a slight improvement.
    Gerardo 1961 in Bad weather and with head winds still showed an improvement over his Best Runs without the system.
    Big Bad Bill has never seen this many high numbers running close to 8 mpg.
    Nevs as well. Heavy loads or light loads, good or bad weather, flat roads or hills, we are going to give you more mpg.
    Your truck will have a crisper throttle response and less down shifting will be noticed immediately. This has been a consistent report with just about all the testers.
    We are working with many options for our company. Many say because it is not owned by one of the big auto giants that we are questionable. Well we are a small company that started out in Tulsa OK. sort of like many small companies in a garage. Bill Gates started like that with Microsoft. They are humongous now. We are not that big but we have moved to a 2 car garage with a Genie door opener! (Just a Joke)
    We have had offers for the Patent but we are not ready to give it up yet. We are now Marketing in South America as well thru our Warehouse distributors there. The have had great success especially in the trucking and agriculture industry. www.ecosudamreica.com
    Last but not least we do have competition, and they will always show up wherever we go and create havoc from Diesel additives to all types of devices and magnets.
    I can only guarantee you that If you purchase an ECO #4 or #5 for your RIG and you are not happy you can return it for a full refund.
    Have we had returns? YES.
    Some people will buy hoping we can take them from 4 mpg to 8 mpg. and that is impossible for us to double or triple your mileage. If you are serious about 5% to 10% increases and saving $300.00 to $500.00 a month, we can do this for you.
    Again I thank all the testers for their Extra Hard Work, Professionalism, Honesty, and Fairness.
    God Bless and Stay Safe!
    BEN/ECOTAZ
     
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