What causes "Dragn'fly" (Drag and Fly)?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by txmoorej, Apr 25, 2011.

What causes "Dragn'Fly" (Drag and Fly)?

  1. Terrain

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  2. Load Weight

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  3. Load Distribution

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  4. Poor Shifting Technique

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  5. *

    I don't know, what?!

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  6. Other (Please Explain)

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  1. txmoorej

    txmoorej Bobtail Member

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    Dragon fly noun \ˈdra-gən-ˌflī\
    :A truck with no power; "Drag 'er up one side of the hill, let 'er fly down the other"
     
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  3. txmoorej

    txmoorej Bobtail Member

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    Someone has to have an opinion about the Dragn'Fly effect. Sometimes trucks lose speed going up a hill and the other trucks are passing them. Then, on the other side, they have to down shift and ride the brakes because they are flying! What's up with that?
     
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    123456 Road Train Member

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    Gravity perhaps ????
     
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    American-Trucker Road Train Member

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    is this a serious question?

    Gravity
    Diesel Engines dont engine brake on there own like gas engines do
    Companys Nueter there underpowered trucks...




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  6. txmoorej

    txmoorej Bobtail Member

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    Yes, it's a serious question. I know of one situation where two drivers, hauling identical loads (53' Dry Vans full of tires) with identical tractors (Kenworth t600's) had different experiences.

    One couldn't keep up with the other in the hills. I just figured some of you guys might have some ideas as to why.
     
  7. American-Trucker

    American-Trucker Road Train Member

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    where they both spec'd the same as far as HP, TQ, Transmissions, Rear End Gearing?


    And if these engines were detroits that explains it all right there. I call pull a 6%grade loaded heavy(45,000) at 65mph then go up it again with 5000 in the box and cant do more then 35mph then do it again and do 65mph with the 5K. Its never consistant. biggest POS diesel engine ever! (Detroit 60 Series) I'd like to have another CAT please!!!!! lol





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    Just because a person thinks the trucks are speced the same doesn't mean they run the same. Many differences come into play when a person starts comparing why one fleet truck out pulls or runs faster than another fleet truck. Just think about the difference tires, fuel filters, and air filters make on how hard a truck pulls. Heck even the work history of the engines have a big factor in it (i.e. high idle time, abused, and ran low on fluids).

    As for the drag & fly concept. I believe it is becoming more and more of a problem. With the over educated idiots running the trucking companies and shops thinking that cutting the HP/TQ back to gain fuel mileage...then you also got the unskilled drivers that don't know how to apply the power properly. I hate to count how many times I almost get rear-ended coming across PA while I'm doing 60 MPH up the hill and coasting about 65 MPH down the hill. On the upside of the hill I pass all the fleet rides slaving away and then they come flying down the other side with thier hair on fire thinking they got a large car.
     
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    American-Trucker Road Train Member

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    hey now! Some of us have company trucks that can fly up AND down a grade just like you ya know!:yes2557: Well except for like i said when my detroit decieds to be retarded:biggrin_2559:




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  10. txmoorej

    txmoorej Bobtail Member

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    Yup, exact same tractors in every way. It was a real head scratcher.

    And, to your point, that's why I'm asking the question.

    The variables are:

    Equipment - You're using the same tractor - maybe engine inconsistency is a variable

    Terrain - Same 6% Grade

    Load Weight - Varies 5,000 lbs - 45,000 lbs, but apparently no correlation with performance

    Load Distribution - ????

    Shifting Technique - Since you are probably pretty consistent in your technique (progressive shifting and what not), this probably isn't the main factor (could be driver to driver, I suppose).

    I've heard plenty of guys tell me that sometimes the load you had trouble pulling up a hill is the same load that pushes you down the other side... no one seems to know why.

    Thanks for your input!
     
  11. txmoorej

    txmoorej Bobtail Member

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    This is exactly what I'm asking about.
     
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