Own Authority VS lease...

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by hrdman2luv, Aug 3, 2011.

  1. hrdman2luv

    hrdman2luv Medium Load Member

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    I've had my truck for a tad less than 3 years... Since I bought it, I've leased onto companies promising better miles and better pay. They've all got a lil something different to offer. But in the end, they're all about the same.. One has a better rate. But screws you on the fuel surcharge.. One has a great FSC. But have more chargebacks on the the settlement... ETC ETC ... Same old BS with just about every company that you lease onto...

    I'm sure, those that buy and lease onto the same company, I can't say for sure. But I have a friend that's doing that.. And he says the money sucks and it seems like he's only making enough to keep the truck fixed and rolling...

    I can say, there's been several weeks that I've made a lot more when I was a company driver @ .40 per mile. But then there's been weeks that I've actually made a killing as a lease operator.. But that's only due to the fact of when the fuel came out of my settlement...

    Now the bottom line of this lease operator business is about $1.30 to $1.50 per mile.. And that ain't makin money. That's just paying the bills and hopefully keeping the truck running and the taxes paid..

    A few friends of mine, who'd I lost contact with a few years ago, have since gotten their own authority & trailers and have been hauling some stuff out of Mexico that's been paying them about $2.50 per mile up to NYC and about $2.05per mile coming back to San Antone. Now that's about .80cents per mile better... Which up and back is about 3600 miles round trip.. Which is within legal miles to drive in 70. And it's about $2800 MORE than what the average lease operator is making a week...

    That's what I bought a truck to make.. Right now, I'm OK. But I didn't buy a truck and everything that goes with it, to just do OK.

    Question: What does it take to get your own authority. And how different is the taxes... How much money should I have saved to get started?
     
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  3. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Getting your own authority is fairly easy, figure about 3-4 weeks from start to finish. Roughly $1500 doing it yourself. More if you get an agent. (fees). Taxes are the same as you have now, since you say you have your own truck and are leased on to a company. You will pay your own plates and insurance VS possibly having the company pay them. And you need some cash in the bank to carry you for 30-45 days waiting to get paid from the brokers.
     
  4. hrdman2luv

    hrdman2luv Medium Load Member

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    I've heard that brokers will advance fuel money...I suppose they charge extra for that? What's a good brokers fee? 10% ...12%?
     
  5. grizzly

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    Most brokers take 20% right off of the top. Good luck finding one that will advance any money. Some of the larger brokers will for a fee. Most will pay quickly for a percentage as well.
     
  6. hrdman2luv

    hrdman2luv Medium Load Member

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    This sounds like it's gonna take a whole lot of $$$$ to even get started.

    If you figure about 2600 gallons of fuel for the month is about $10,000. Plus the household bills I will need to keep paid up. Plus the cost of the trailer.. ($30,000)... Plus the $1,500 to get the authority. I have my own plates. But then there's the insurance....

    I don't think I'll ever get there...Even if I could finance the trailer, which I wouldn't mind if I could get a decent interest rate on a short term note...

    But then theirs the chance of a breakdown.

    My gosh... How does the little guy even get started...
     
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  7. grizzly

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    I ran my own authority for several years. I am now leased to a carrier and am very happy. I have less headache and don't work nearly as hard for the same money. I cut my truck and insurance costs by leasing. I wouldn't lease to run by the mile. I want a percentage and I want to pick my own freight, and that's what I do.
     
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  8. hrdman2luv

    hrdman2luv Medium Load Member

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    I've always been scared of percentage. You never know what the freight actually pays..
     
  9. 64prostreet

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    You can use a factor to get paid more quickly. You send youre invoices to a factor and for a small fee they will pay the invoices within 24hrs. G/man and others on this board are very knowlegable about this subject.
     
  10. bullhaulerswife

    bullhaulerswife Forum Leader/Admin Staff Member Administrator

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    Hrd man you are pretty close with your figures. We have our own authority, but run power only, so don't have the expense of the trailer. You can find some brokers out there that will run you for 10-13% depending on the gig. You have to look hard though. 20% is a rip off, unless they are providing you with super great loads, fuel card and guaranteed per mile rate.

    When hubby started hauling hoppers, the guy quoted him 20% and hubby hung up on him. He called back and offered 10%, 13% if we used his fuel card. And we were hauling his trailer. You can negotiate with them, you just gotta let them know that you know what their service is worth.
     
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  11. G/MAN

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    Your authority only costs $300 for the filing fee. You will need a minimum of $1 million auto liability and $100,000 cargo. Rates differ on the cost of insurance based upon type of freight, area you will run, credit history and mvr. You are probably looking at an annual premium of around $6,000-8,000. More specialized freight can run more. You can check with some insurance companies for actual rates. Keep in mind that rates can vary widely from one insurance company to another. Most will have a means of financing it with a good down payment. You can expect to need a down payment of 10-20%. You will also need a registered agent for all states in which you plan on running. OOIDA offers that service at no charge for members.

    You will also need to buy your own base plates and permits. I would expect to pay between $1,500-2,200/yr. If you think you need to spend $30,000 for a trailer you must be planning on buying a reefer. There are some good used trailers on the market for less. You may also be able to get started by renting or leasing a trailer until you can afford to buy. You could probably do a lease purchase through a leasing company that might require a smaller down payment. I would be careful about having large payments. Anything can happen. If you have good credit you may be able to just do a monthly rental. I have known some who have started this way.

    There are some opportunities for power only for those with their own authority. JB Hunt, PTL and others do have opportunities to pull their trailers. I spoke with an owner the other day who has been pulling JB Hunt trailers for a little over $1.70/mile with the fsc. Sometimes CH Robinson has power only opportunities for those with authority.

    I would not worry too much about what the broker makes. If you can get the rate you want then it really should not make much difference what the broker makes. Everyone needs to make a profit. Brokers do provide a service. Some seem to take more than we may feel is fair, but much of that has to do with your negotiating skills.

    If you don't have the resources to finance your business for a couple of months you could factor your receivables and have your money within a couple of days from the time you deliver the load and get the bills to the factor. Some brokers have quick pay and you can have your money within a couple of days as well, with a discount on the bills. Quick pay can take from about 1 1/2-8% of the rate. Some brokers will also advance money to established carriers for a fee. Some will advance up to 50% once the load has been picked up. Most will not advance funds until you have hauled a few loads for them.

    You will need some money to fund your business. There are some items which will need to be paid up front. Authority, insurance and base plates must all be paid in order for you to get started. You can probably get most of the cost of insurance financed, but will still need to front some of the costs. For a down payment, authority and base plates, you are probably looking at about $4,000-5,000. That does not include the cost of buying or leasing a trailer or running money. It also takes about 4-6 weeks to get your authority once you apply.
     
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