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    I remember that stuff on the market and the hype it brought.

    Couple O/O's I ran for had us putting that stuff in like it was candy.

    I miss the days of 95 cent fuel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MNdriver View Post
    I remember that stuff on the market and the hype it brought.

    Couple O/O's I ran for had us putting that stuff in like it was candy.

    I miss the days of 95 cent fuel.

    Yeah! And I was getting $1.25 a mile.
    And guess what. I can still get $1.25 a mile,easy.

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    So older motors your talking about the pre emissions motors?

    So lets say i have a c12 with 568k on it should i add 1qt of 2 cycl outboard oil to 100gal? I do a lot of city driving so the more I can do to make it last ill do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude6710 View Post
    So older motors your talking about the pre emissions motors?

    So lets say i have a c12 with 568k on it should i add 1qt of 2 cycl outboard oil to 100gal? I do a lot of city driving so the more I can do to make it last ill do it.
    I will say you could add 2 stroke outboard motor oil to any diesel engine pre emission or not, I've been doing it for a long time.

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    I'd put MicroBlue in this scam category also.... Or I'd atleast question it...

    read this thread on another forum about a guy who did the MicroBlue on company trucks without drivers knowing. It's an interesting read.

    http://letstruck.com/forum/topics/mi...age=1#comments

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dice1 View Post
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    The 2nd product is the fuel line magnets that I have not tested one of those either and would love to hear more about them from somebody who has actually used them?

    This GMX 400 unit came installed on my truck. I drove the truck for 200,000 miles as a company driver not really caring about fuel mileage. MPG at best in summer was 7.25, winter was 6.75 (which seems fairly average for an '04 century pulling trailers w/fairings), pulling 70k-80k ~85% of the time. I bought the truck in February & immediately had an inframe done, removed the governor, & quit putting lucas in the oil. MPG at best fully loaded is now 8.5+ but that's doin "dragon-fly" (drag-##### goin uphill fly goin down) in the hills of Ga & Tn. Best in the flats is now 7.75. Overall average now 7.5. It also seems my company is hauling 70k-80k loads ~60% of the time recently.

    It's my opinion that the magnets on the fuel line don't do anything. I don't run steady enough loads to do truly accurate tests with the magnets off.

    Dice, if you'd be interested you're welcome to borrow my magic magnets for a few months to test. I could see if I notice any change with magnets off while with your dedicated runs you'd be able to tell definitively if they work or not.

    As far as the magic pipes go, it's my theory that IF they work at all it's because they're either causing enough disruption to laminar fuel flow to break up the entrained air bubbles into smaller air bubbles or they're causing cavitation within the device thereby creating entrained vapor using the entrained air. I think they don't tell customers this because then they'd realize that they'd be better off removing the entrained air using FASS or AirDog.

    PM me if you're curious enough to test my magic magnets. I'm curious enough to cover the shipping to you if you'll cover it back to me (just for the humor value I like having them on the truck ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Les2 View Post
    I'd put MicroBlue in this scam category also.... Or I'd atleast question it...

    read this thread on another forum about a guy who did the MicroBlue on company trucks without drivers knowing. It's an interesting read.
    Please share your actual experience with this product that you can qualify your statement with actual experience with it?

    I know several truckers with actual experience using it to verify it actually works.

    Please qualify your actual experience than just make unqualified opinions about any product on here.

    Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wimp View Post
    This GMX 400 unit came installed on my truck. I drove the truck for 200,000 miles as a company driver not really caring about fuel mileage. MPG at best in summer was 7.25, winter was 6.75 (which seems fairly average for an '04 century pulling trailers w/fairings), pulling 70k-80k ~85% of the time. I bought the truck in February & immediately had an inframe done, removed the governor, & quit putting lucas in the oil. MPG at best fully loaded is now 8.5+ but that's doin "dragon-fly" (drag-##### goin uphill fly goin down) in the hills of Ga & Tn. Best in the flats is now 7.75. Overall average now 7.5. It also seems my company is hauling 70k-80k loads ~60% of the time recently.

    It's my opinion that the magnets on the fuel line don't do anything. I don't run steady enough loads to do truly accurate tests with the magnets off.

    Dice, if you'd be interested you're welcome to borrow my magic magnets for a few months to test. I could see if I notice any change with magnets off while with your dedicated runs you'd be able to tell definitively if they work or not.

    As far as the magic pipes go, it's my theory that IF they work at all it's because they're either causing enough disruption to laminar fuel flow to break up the entrained air bubbles into smaller air bubbles or they're causing cavitation within the device thereby creating entrained vapor using the entrained air. I think they don't tell customers this because then they'd realize that they'd be better off removing the entrained air using FASS or AirDog.

    PM me if you're curious enough to test my magic magnets. I'm curious enough to cover the shipping to you if you'll cover it back to me (just for the humor value I like having them on the truck ).
    Thanks for the offer.

    Just keep us posted with your experience with and without them.

    Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dice1 View Post
    Please share your actual experience with this product that you can qualify your statement with actual experience with it?

    I know several truckers with actual experience using it to verify it actually works.

    Please qualify your actual experience than just make unqualified opinions about any product on here.

    Thank you!
    I posted the link, that you left out of my quote, so others could read someones real experience with them. You can dispute my opinion but you can't dispute the guy who actually tried them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dice1 View Post
    It seems like everytime fuel prices spike up the fuel economy scammers jump in high gear with sales hypes of false claims of products that do absolutely nothing to save fuel.

    I thought I would post this very good video from good source about Fuel Economy Scams that I have tested few of these devices also to come to the same conclusion. I hope to keep this thread about only those products that have been tried with actual experience with these products and not just unqualified opinions without any actual experience with the product.


    Youtu.be


    I never tested the first device with the swirling of the air going into the intake or the magnets on the fuel line so maybe somebody can post a comment about those if they ever tried them?


    I believe the trucking equalivent of the first product is the Aircell Intake Spacers that I have never used and would like to hear from somebody who has used this product or something simular?




    The 2nd product is the fuel line magnets that I have not tested one of those either and would love to hear more about them from somebody who has actually used them?




    Now to the ones I have used and agree with the professional in the video with the first one is the one he shows that is the EcoTaz and my testing agrees with the video that is a scam and does nothing to help fuel mileage. There is an entire thread here that busted this product and even showed how sleazy the professional salesman for the company was when his product was busted: ECOTAZ ECO Fuelsystems Fuel Enhancers - Does it work?





    I also had a Turbo3000d Vada that I believe the EcoTaz was copied from and was only changed with some copper screens in it to avoid patent infringements and being sued. The Turbo3000d Vada did not work either and was taken off my truck years ago. Another magic tube in the fuel line scam.




    Now we come to the last product he showed and that is the Hydrogen Generator that I tested back in 2008 that I am not sure may have cost me an inframe with a cracked head after the Hydrogen Generator melted down. Stay away from the hydorgen generator unless it is built out of stainless steel and has all shut down sensors for over heat and low electrolyte built into it. I didn't see any gain from this device when it was working correctly.






    There is also all kinds of fuel additives and one in particular, Xtreme Fuel Treatment that was sent to me to test that done absolutely nothing. I know this is the same crap that we all get phone calls from those promising great fuel mileage by adding a couple of ozs of their product that cost around $100 a gallon. I always got rid of them by asking for a free sample.



    From Howes to Lucas I have found none that I can say increased fuel mileage and only used for lubricity reasons with my older diesel motor that I found in alot cheaper product by using Wal-Mart 2 cycle oil that does the samething if not better for only $12 per gallon.




    As far as oil additives goes, my experience with synthetic Mobil-One 5W40 motor oil is that you don't need additives to make it better and I have tried several from MotorKote to Lucas with no difference seen in fuel economy.

    If anybody has any experience with any of these devices or even some not mentioned, please post here that hopefully our experiences with these products can save other O/Os time and money on useless fuel economy scams?

    Again, please only those Professional Owner Operators post your experience with any kind of fuel economy device that your experience can be shared good or bad without starting another flame war on here.

    Thank you and spread the knowledge!
    This guy in the video is totally incorrect concerning the HHO generators,, I have a 1996 Mazda B4000 that I've been using an HHO generator on for more than a year, and I traveled from NC to NJ before installing and used a tank and a half,, now I go up and back on 3/4 tank.
    Although the unit he is illustrating has no functionality and is totally wrong in the way it is built, it doesn't show how it was installed either.

    This is what my unit looks like,, I used stainless steel plates and not just some wires hanging down into my solution.

    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12...anzer/HHO2.jpg

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