Maybe I didn't get the point because you stated the obvious and redundant theme played out everyday. Maybe I was hoping for something deeper... Wow!!! Guess I was wrong....[/QUOTE]

Lol...funny im new here i was just speaking about what i keep seeing and its sad that im new and i just figured this out in such a shortt time and some of these guys have been driving 30 yearsand still dont get it im not really a deep person just like to make money and travel the world i'll leave that to you.

Very true i know that happens all the time its up us to get the rates up.Like u said these bttom feeders are the worst but if guys just didnt even call in on the garbage the brokers would give better rates and so on.what ever we haul has to get there and they are gonna pay or they dont make money sometimes if a few guys did dead head outof somewhere instead of taking 80cpm that same load would tripple but like you said a bottom feeder large carrier could eatthe cost paying a driver 30cpm.

Cheap freight? What is cheap freight? What you call cheap maybe different for different people. As you know the rates are different for different products. Lets say you have a load of "A" coming out of Dallas, TX going to NYC. The load pays $9750. At 1545 miles this load pays $6.30 per mile. I am in NYC and I can't find anything like that here and I need to get back to Dallas to pick up another load for NYC. I can either dead head back or find a load that pays $1500 and head out. If I was willing to dead head back the $1500 is all profit to me.

Owner Operators are in business for themselves. We wish you well but it is not our job to make you money. We have our own families to take care of. This is a supply and demand market not a controlled market.

The "A" load going to NYC is more valuable then the load coming from NYC. Should all loads be the same rate?

ACT hauls tires out of Lawton, Oklahoma and brings them to KC. From KC to Lawton they haul recycled cardboard. Those two do not pay the same rate.

You can complain or you can learn the business. Personally, I like to complain. I am an American and it is my right. We haul cheap freight because Obama makes us. Vote him out.

Originally Posted by Wooly Rhino

Cheap freight? What is cheap freight? What you call cheap maybe different for different people. As you know the rates are different for different products. Lets say you have a load of "A" coming out of Dallas, TX going to NYC. The load pays $9750. At 1545 miles this load pays $6.30 per mile. I am in NYC and I can't find anything like that here and I need to get back to Dallas to pick up another load for NYC. I can either dead head back or find a load that pays $1500 and head out. If I was willing to dead head back the $1500 is all profit to me.

Owner Operators are in business for themselves. We wish you well but it is not our job to make you money. We have our own families to take care of. This is a supply and demand market not a controlled market.

The "A" load going to NYC is more valuable then the load coming from NYC. Should all loads be the same rate?

ACT hauls tires out of Lawton, Oklahoma and brings them to KC. From KC to Lawton they haul recycled cardboard. Those two do not pay the same rate.

You can complain or you can learn the business. Personally, I like to complain. I am an American and it is my right. We haul cheap freight because Obama makes us. Vote him out.

Actually they probably do pay pretty close to the same. I would bet a year ago the cardboard load paid more but now the tire load pays more because the market from Texas has gotten better in the last year.

Owner Operators are in business for themselves. We wish you well but it is not our job to make you money. We have our own families to take care of. This is a supply and demand market not a controlled market.

The "A" load going to NYC is more valuable then the load coming from NYC. Should all loads be the same rate?

ACT hauls tires out of Lawton, Oklahoma and brings them to KC. From KC to Lawton they haul recycled cardboard. Those two do not pay the same rate.




I hate to have to explain myself im doin very well for myself im not the one complaining sir im talking about the ones taking cheap freight not making a profit but just getting buy im from ny and i do short haul i dont like OTR im ok im tallking aboutthe idiots that are not o/o but just glorified truckers with their own authority.PLEAS NO THE DIFFERENCE YOU SOUND LIKE A SMART BUSINESS MAN IM NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU DID YOU READ THE WHOLE POST!!!!!!



You can complain or you can learn the business. Personally, I like to complain. I am an American and it is my right. We haul cheap freight because Obama makes us. Vote him out.[/QUOTE]

Like you said everyone for themselves maybe thats why u cant get a load going back for 9,000 is because someone in ny will take that same load for 900 think about what you are saying that guybis looking outfor him selfband screwing everyone if you cant see that your blind.