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    Hours of service rule for team drivers

    can a team drive 8 on 8 in sleeper .iesplit log) if so how many hours of driving can you show in a 24 hour period


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    Simple answer, NO.

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    10 hours break is the rule.

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    10 on and 10 off would be best

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    Also, if the non-driver at the time is sitting in the passenger seat I believe they can count up to 2 hours on line 1, beyond that and it becomes line 4.

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    The 8 and 8 rule worked back in the day before people who have never even seen the inside of a truck decided they needed to interfere with how we did our jobs. That was then, this is now.

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    how is a team driver, bouncing around, with 10 hrs of sleep deemed more rested than a solo at 8hrs of uninterrupted sleep?

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    Well, you can drive eight hours and you can do eight in the sleeper. However, if you do eight in the sleeper you still need another two consecutive hours of off-duty/sleeper. This would mean the truck is going to be parked for two hours for each driver's "rotation".
    Sleeper Berth Provision
    Drivers using the sleeper berth provision must take at least 8 consecutive hours in the sleeper berth, plus a separate 2 consecutive hours either in the sleeper berth, off duty, or any combination of the two.

    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul.../hos/index.htm
    So, in practical terms, eight and eight doesn't work.

    With the change in rules a team driver can now spend up to two hours in the passenger seat and that time can be counted as off-duty. So, you could sleep for eight, ride in the passenger seat for an hour and allow an hour for breaks/meals/showers/etc. (or some combination thereof).
    On-duty time
    Does not include any time resting in a parked vehicle (also applies to passenger-carrying drivers). In a moving property-carrying CMV, does not include up to 2 hours in passenger seat immediately before or after 8 consecutive hours in sleeper-berth.

    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul.../hos/index.htm
    So, as was mentioned, ten and ten is the way to go.

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    Its not a matter of being more rested, its a matter of keeping the truck moving without needing to stop for 10 hours a day while the driver sleeps. Maximizing equipment utilization for maximum profits.

    By the way, carriers have never cared how much sleep a driver got. That's why we have the HOS regulations in the first place. Some of our oldest and crustiest drivers can perhaps regale you with the stories of what it was like way back in the day when drivers were expected to run 20+ hours a day with no rules or regulations to limit the driver's HOS.

    The rules today seem very restrictive, but trust me when I tell you its better than no rules at all. Imagine what your carrier or broker would be like if there were no HOS regulations....

    "Driver, if you can't run this 34 hour load straight through, we'll find someone who can and you can take your place on the unemployment line!" - an actual quote from a small carrier dispatcher who shall remain nameless in the days before CSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brsims View Post
    Its not a matter of being more rested, its a matter of keeping the truck moving without needing to stop for 10 hours a day while the driver sleeps. Maximizing equipment utilization for maximum profits.

    By the way, carriers have never cared how much sleep a driver got. That's why we have the HOS regulations in the first place. Some of our oldest and crustiest drivers can perhaps regale you with the stories of what it was like way back in the day when drivers were expected to run 20+ hours a day with no rules or regulations to limit the driver's HOS.

    The rules today seem very restrictive, but trust me when I tell you its better than no rules at all. Imagine what your carrier or broker would be like if there were no HOS regulations....

    "Driver, if you can't run this 34 hour load straight through, we'll find someone who can and you can take your place on the unemployment line!" - an actual quote from a small carrier dispatcher who shall remain nameless in the days before CSA.
    i can understand SOME regulation, but the mere fact that i can be financially penalized for sleeping 9.75 hours instead of 10 hours is nothing short of tyranny, because it affects my livelihood

    if the government feels it is necessary to reign in carriers for pushing their drivers too hard, a 6-minimum should be sufficent as a baseline, and maybe an hour break midday, and some other variation

    but this babysitting grown men is preposterous and in actuality its unrealistic and doesnt work for anyone except some bureaucrats placating some of their constituents

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