Glider, Pre-EGR and Passive DPF.

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Nexwinner, Feb 25, 2013.

  1. Nexwinner

    Nexwinner Light Load Member

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    I have question and hope someone has the answer. I know we are being forced bu good ole Uncle Sam to clear the smog but that requirement is hurting everyone's pocket. So I have been looking at a way around and it seems that a Glider kit is the way to go. So I found a 2013 FL Coronado with a reman 1998 Emission Detroit 60 Series 12.7L, 13 speed and the works. Anyways, I know it is not legal for Cali but i do not wish to exclude the state if I am going to run a reefer but I want the ease and repair of a non EGR engine. So my question, is anyone familiar with the Donaldson LNF; which is a passive DPF. I did look at their DOC muffler system but it is only a level 1 and has to be a level 3 system to be compliant with CARB, which would be the LNF and at a more reasonable cost of around 10K as compared to an active system that could run as much as 20K. If anyone has an idea, I would appreciate it.
     
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  3. gokiddogo

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    Add your cost for the dpf. Now figure on 1mpg less. Do you run cali all year? Which route will leave you with more money? You may find it far more attractive to not run cali.
     
  4. Nexwinner

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    Thank you gokiddo, I was figuring on anywhere between.5 to 1 mpg less because of the back pressure. As for running Cali; I would like to run all lower 48 and not limit myself. Even with the cost of the Glider at 117K and 10K on a DPF, I am well below the 150K for a new truck that is loaded down with the new emissions and the headaches associated with them. I don't know, thats why I am checking into it. I always weigh my options before proceeding past go...lol
     
  5. gokiddogo

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    It's not only the mpg decrease. The dpf only system, I'm convinced, was designed to destroy the engine right around the time you make your last payment. The back pressure is so high the soot in the exhaust can't even make it there, its hell on the turbo, the soot ends up in your oil, causing more oil changes. I can't recommend you proceed in this manner. I recommend if you are going to comply with emissions to get the new def+dpf system. Detroit seems to have it figured out.
     
  6. Nexwinner

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    Thanks gokiddogo, though I figure I might just steer clear of Cali as I keep hearing about too many issues with the egr, def, dpf and urea induced corrosion. I think think the down time, repairs and so forth with the new emission requirements are just too much to deal with. So I am definitely leaning towards a glider and more than likely a DD 12.7 pre-2004. The only thing I or anyone else could hope for is that the other states do not follow Cali's example.
     
  7. Guntoter

    Guntoter Road Train Member

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    What about VA and MD? Just because he is running a reefer right now doesnt mean he wont be going into ports in those states someday.
    All these gliders are going to find it hard to get loaded when they cant go to CA next year, VA and MD in three years and possibly Houston in a few years.

    So lets do the math, cant go near CA ever, cant go to the 5 busiest ports in the country... Keep telling yourselves that CA is the only place that will require this.
     
  8. BigJls1

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    unsure speculation will never help a discussion,
    what if they delay for 10 more years, and for the record MY glider goes into to cali whenever i take a load there. the rule has been pushed for....you guessed it...one more year, you want to bet when the 2014 rolls around OOIDA will be there pushing for another extension.

    Oh and Houston , been there and had to pay 200$ for a legal truck to pull my trailer in and load it, now my 2,200 mile trip to spokane is headache free with no dpf,egr,def crap at all.....once in two years as an O/O.
    again once. Do you think its worth it for the rest of the 100k miles we put on the truck?
     
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  9. Jake The Bullhauler

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    I thought if you aren't a Cali based company you didn't have to fall to their demands of the CARB mess. I know several guys personally based out of tx and Okla that haul cattle in an out of commifornia with 359's.
     
  10. Saddletramp1200

    Saddletramp1200 Road Train Member

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    Work out a drop & hook with another transport co. A if you want it, come get it operation. I won't go over cali in a airplane. But I grew up in San Diego. Cops are mad for a $. Keep their jobs. Way it is.
     
  11. daf105paccar

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    To the OP:
    While i applaude your thinking in checking out all options open to you,there are a few questions which pop up.

    1° That pre EGR engine wasn't designed to run with a DPF so long term wear and tear isn't known.
    There is nobody that can tell you what will happen over the next 10y with that engine because nobody has run an engine like that for so long.
    So that pre ERG engine is only "riskfree" without the DPF.

    2°Can you afford ,as a one man show,to exclude so many places?
    Only you can answer that question as you know the lanes which earn you the most)

    3° The new engines were designed to run with DEF,EGR and DPF.
    And while you might get a sensor going bad,the overal design should do fine.
    (there is a small fleet owner on this forum(Peterbilt) who has stated that when he look at the whole package,purchase price,MPG and breakdown)his new trucks run at the cheaper then his older units.

    So it is fair to say that with an old or new engine some luck is involved.
    Which ever way you decide to go,it will be partly a gamble.

    Good luck which ever way you go.


    ps what did you mean in you post with this:
     
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