Gearing down on hills 2 keep temp down

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  1. heavyhaulerss

    heavyhaulerss Road Train Member

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    I have a question about gearing down to keep water temp from climbing on hills. I have read where drivers say drop gears? I do not fully understand.. if I am going up hill & want to drop temp, how does dropping gears help. here is what I don't get.. if I was to drop a gear the truck slows down causing less air flow to radiator & at the same time my rpm's would increase. higher rpm while lower speed would seem to me to raise temp? usually in 10th I keep it to the floor until I reach 1300 rpm & then drop one gear which puts me at approx 1500 rpms. then turn my fan on or else I will get in over 200 water temp. I just always figured lower rpm's & more forward movement would keep a truck cooler than dropping a gear or 2 raising engine speed & slowing the air to the rad ? what am I missing about my concept. I am getting a new rad in the next month. thinking about going from whatever my stock is to a bigger one, but until then going to try & keep temps down. I used to be able to put faN on any grade with any weight & temp would come down. thee last year with fan on temp would still climb. have to keep fan on for 15 miles after top of hill just to get back to normal temp.
     
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  3. TruckingSurveyor

    TruckingSurveyor Light Load Member

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    Lugging the engine generates more heat, if you have an EGT gauge you will see the exhaust temperatures rise like crazy running it floored in a gear that is too high while trying to maintain speed. The engine is working less if you drop a gear or two and let the transmission do the work albeit at a slower ground speed. Airflow across the radiator does slow with a drop in speed, but you should be OK, a diesel engine actually cools off at idle, this is why I always idle until my EGT drops below 300°F before shutting down, in other words I don't climb a long grade and then shut off with the engine heat soaked at the top.

    An EGT readout also shows how much relative energy is required running into a headwind or increasing speed, I don't know if it is still true on the EGR engines, BUT way back when Mr. Cummins discovered best fuel economy running around 600°F (might of been 650°F) on some of his early diesel trials, so if you normally run those temperatures at say 62 MPH and then you see a 200°F increase to maintain the same speed you are either running into the wind or pulling a grade or both, by the same token if running on the flat with no headwind you can see what happens when road speed increases, the EGT goes up, thus indicating more energy used, more heat generated out the exhaust, etc.

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  4. Diletantte Driver

    Diletantte Driver Light Load Member

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    Your engine does not have to work as hard when you drop a gear. That's why we have gears.
    High RPMs do not necessarily mean high temps.
    Also, higher RPMs increase fan speed. The vehicle speed does not influence the amount of air passing through the rad as much as fan speed does.
    Drop a gear or two. It will not make your trip all that much longer and might give your engine a break.

    Having said that; I am wondering why your engine is behaving differently from previously. If the same conditions are producing different results perhaps you need to investigate other options. It may not be your rad that needs upgrading. I think you should describe your symptoms to a skilled mechanic and see if they can troubleshoot for you.
     
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  5. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    wait till summer kicks in. you won't be going full bore then. and if you do. you can probably kiss your job good bye if your truck doesn't have a shutdown. you'll burn up the motor.

    good idea to just flip the switch and keep her on up the hill. and down the hil to so it cools down faster.

    and if your running your air conditioner. that's that much more heat going through the radiator. which means you'll either be going SLOWER. or shutting off the a/c till you've hit the top.
     
  6. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    When you can climb the grade without pegging the boost you'll know you've dropped enoughgears.
     
  7. CondoCruiser

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    It sounds like you have cooling problems. I would get it ready for summer.

    Is the radiator clean?
    Is there scale build up on the inside? A dirty block/radiator will reduce the transfer of heat. A flush might be needed.
    The thermostat might be wore.
    Is the fan clutch performing properly?
     
  8. SL3406

    SL3406 Medium Load Member

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    Like the others have said, dropping gears reduces the load on the engine. Also when you increase RPM you increase the air flow through the engine. The more air you can move through the engine, the more heat will be expelled through the exhaust. Your air to air needs to be checked for leaks if it hasn't been already.
     
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  9. mcgoo422000

    mcgoo422000 Medium Load Member

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    I had a bird nest between condensor and radiator and would only heat up on long hills like the one on 68 in Md.
    Think the birds built nest while I was on a 6 week vacation in 10.
     
  10. TruckingSurveyor

    TruckingSurveyor Light Load Member

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    Did you at least get some cooked eggs?

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  11. heavyhaulerss

    heavyhaulerss Road Train Member

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    I have no e.g.t pyro gauge boost gauge. just stock gauges.
     
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