you're thoughs on buying used tri-axle trucks

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  1. Ezrider_48501

    Ezrider_48501 Road Train Member

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    I could really benefit from having a pusher axle. not for permitted heavy haul but in nd you can be up to 105,500 as long as you can bridge it. witch having a pusher would give me 92k on my side and 88k on my belly. i could maybe get a pusher on my current truck but id have to move a ton of stuff and even after removing the headache rack and sleeper fairings im not sure if i could get my trailer far enough forward to get the weight to the pusher. i would need a truck with a 2 line wet kit and a pusher. i also need no taller than a mid roof because i have a 12ft overhead door on my shop.

    i would like something with at least a 13 speed or 18 would be preferred. would prefer a 60series or n-14 but would consider cat. it seems finding a truck with everything i need would probably be pretty slim. i think i would be best trying to find a truck that is already a tri axle with the motor and trans that i want and adding the wet kit, the last wet kit i had put on was around 4k. iv seen used pushers sell for that much before you even put them on.

    my concern is buying a truck that has a pusher has probably been run heavy its whole life and wore out.

    here is a few trucks i saw on truck paper that sparked my interest.

    price seems good for the age, not sure on the mack motor as iv never drove one
    http://www.truckpaper.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=4990237

    nice looking pete but 1.1mil on a 3406e
    http://www.truckpaper.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=5217815

    i like this 2000 freight liner. but i think it would be a early isx vrs a n-14 and i would prefer a steerable pusher guessing that truck has been used for permitted heavy haul and price seems a little on the high side
    http://www.truckpaper.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=5270215

    t-800 but 10 speed with 3.90's 60 series det
    http://www.truckpaper.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=4668934

    id really like this western star if it wasn't a acert cat
    http://www.truckpaper.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=5159657

    its cheap it has a n-14 and a 18speed and double frame
    http://www.truckpaper.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=4475651

    not quite ready to buy a truck yet but looking and thinking and when i do i think i will keep my current truck as well and just use it as a spare truck. have a break down or need service or something i can just hop in my current truck and keep working.

    you're thought's on double frame trucks, i need the extra axle for bridge not for permitted heavy haul need to be mindful of empty weight would double frame be worth it?
     
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  3. haulhand

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    You should stay away from anything with a dual tired non steerable lift as they've been tun heavy heavy most of their life and that axle is heavy and will take away from your gained payload therefore defeating your purpose. I also wouldn't want a doubler frame for what your doing a single would be plenty. I couldn't see the Starcar but I wouldn't be afraid of an accert cat I run 7 of them and don't have a lot of problem with them other than the IVA's going out a lot and the fuel mileage is down but like you I pull mostly heavy unaerodynamic stuff so it's to be expected.
     
  4. Ezrider_48501

    Ezrider_48501 Road Train Member

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    although i know my fuel millage is going to suck its still a concern. my current 60 series seems to average about 60-70 dollars less per day than guys i work with running acert cats. even though my millage can be crappy by otr standards at 4-6mpg depending on the haul. 4-6 is still better than 3-5

    i think i agree with sticking to trucks with steerable pushers. i would rather have a steerable anyway. if i did end up with one with a heavy dual pusher id probably single it out and take two of the rims and tires off as they wouldn't be gaining me anything. the fact they have probably been run heavier would be a concern as well.

    id also like to stay older than 03 newer than 1990. and prefer to stay under 30k and i don't have a issue with in framing the right truck as long as its got a good year or more before needing one.
     
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  5. cnsper

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    Gotta move fast if you are going to get something like that.

    It is an awesome truck and my new ride..... The motor in that 2006 is a rebuilt 2004 motor and it pulls like a dream. Now without more photos, I can not be sure it is the same one. Also ours is all aluminum but I don't know that he did not have all that changed.

    Sorry man the boss went and picked it up last weekend. But it is a looooong one. It has a few quirks but on flat land pulling this load I think the computer said we were running almost 7 mpg at 65 mph. I always compare on flat land because screw the hills. I will say it will get you up the hill.


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  6. Oscar the KW

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    For what you are wanting a double frame is overkill. I wouldn't take a truck with a pusher with duals and single them out either, I would think you would be prone to pulling the tire off the bead on rare occasions.
     
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    I have several truck that may be coming up for sale in a few month. Both are 379 Pete with drops. 1-1999 with reman 18 spd tranny and the motor is a 2004 mbn with around 450,000 miles on it.(had a cummins but swapped it out) And a 2003 with 18 spd and 6nz cat with 300000 on complete overhaul. Upgrading because we are now hailing light loads.
     
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  8. haulhand

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    I'm with oscar singling out a dual lift would be extremely guard on tires. I'm headed thru SLC next week for days off and could look at that star for you if it's still available.
     
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  9. Ezrider_48501

    Ezrider_48501 Road Train Member

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    im not quite ready to pull the trigger on a new truck quite yet just looking and comparing options right now. probably wont be ready for a few months yet. so i wouldn't ask you to go out of your way to check it out quite yet. i do appreciate the offer though
     
  10. Oscar the KW

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    That is a valid concern, and it is one that I had prior to buying the truck that I have now.

    Trucks that pull weights in excess of 80K undeniably will work harder and have more strain put on them than the typical truck. I think that the key to longevity in hauling heavy is in how the truck was maintained and driven. Take my truck for example, the guy that owned it before me took VERY good care of it, nothing was ever overlooked or put off for another day. Oil changed every 10-12,000 miles, transmission and rears have always had synthetic and changed every year in November, truck is an 07 with 627K and the fluid in the rears and trans looks like its new. Transmission is still very tight, like new tight, and it is very quite still. The motor was overhauled a year and half ago, but that was due to the "industrial file" in the ecm, it turned all the rings on all six cylinders so that the gaps were lined up.

    I wouldn't hesitate to buy another truck setup for the heavy side of things, but I would be extremely nit picky.
     
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