Quitting factoring

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by RedForeman, Oct 3, 2014.

  1. crackinwise

    crackinwise Medium Load Member

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    The payday loan comparison is not really that dramatic in terms of annualizing that 5% cost per receivable. Some of the factoring companies rates can have an APR of 60-70% or more if you do the math. Like others mentioned it can be a valuable service to meet your cash flow needs but it should be something your business can eventually ween off of going forward. If you do use the service at least understand your actual cost of doing business because the fee does not sound that bad until you annualize it out.

    Since this is a margin-thin business keeping more of your gross revenues is the goal. If you were offered a credit card with a 50% apr you would immediatly say no thanks but factoring companies keep you listening by selling you on "95 cents on the dollar in 24 hrs". Payday loans are essentially the same sell. Short term and a reasonable sounding rate.....unless you keep coming back.....then it costs quite a bit annually.
     
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  3. askbob

    askbob Light Load Member

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    What do you mean when you say annually? Wouldn't charging 5% with non recourse be only 5% no matter how long?
     
  4. 6 Speed

    6 Speed Heavy Load Member

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    It means your hauling 1 in every 20 loads for free.Simply for getting paid in a timely manner when all expenses are "In Advance."
     
  5. RedForeman

    RedForeman Momentum Conservationist

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    Credit cards and loans quote rates on an annual basis (APR). A simple example would be one that charges 12%. When you get your statement, the interest charge will say something like "periodic rate 1.0%." That is the rate for the period, one month. When you figure your interest paid for the entire year, then divide by average balance carried for the year, you will have paid that 12% number. For the year.

    A factoring transaction is a short term loan. The rate is the total interest you will pay. Some programs offer adjustable rates, but the most common deal offered is 5% flat. That is the "interest" you will pay on a loan that gets paid anywhere from 1 to 60 days, 30 days being the average. So, using 30 days for an example, you factor an invoice each month. That's 5% paid each month. Times 12 for your APR of 60%.

    Important to note, this isn't the total cost of the factoring transaction. There are also fees for everything. There's ACH and/or wire fees to get money into your bank, or onto your fuel card. There's mail or overnight delivery fees for those that require paper invoices and bills. A number of other fees for various services.

    So yes, the money transaction seems like a bad deal. Only this isn't apples to apples, unless you're dealing with a factoring company that does nothing but loan money. The good ones do offer valuable service beyond that. The main one being collections. Not just calling on late payments. The whole thing. Managing aging, depositing checks, and so on.

    You can see from the payday loan posts, many don't see that value. That's fine. It's not for everyone. But those posts do make a real good point: Many clients of factoring companies use it as a payday loan. That is, bad money management skills have them in a position where they depend on it to buy fuel for their next load. For someone like that, factoring doesn't help out. In that case, factoring will only shorten the timeline on those already bad decisions and accelerate the path to bankruptcy instead.

    This is a great point, but not the way you put it (in my opinion). More like a case where a guy thinks 5% just isn't so much. Paying $50 on a thousand to have the money right now instead of in a month. Heck, a truck wash is about that much. No big deal.

    What's that guy isn't getting is the important part. Figure that cost as a percentage of profit, not gross revenue. Now it's not looking so good. Here's an example. Don't argue the numbers, they're fictitious and not there to debate how great this guy's business model is, or if he's hauling cheap or not. Just to illustrate the difference between percent of profit and percent of gross:

    New carrier spends weeks on a spreadsheet and figures out his break even at $1.75/mi. He then goes and hauls a load at $2.00/mi. Let's say the rate was $2,000. He factors that and pays a $100 fee for that (5%). This goes on a while, running that same load over and over. At the end of the month, our guy is scratching his head wondering why he's going broke while hauling for profitable rates.

    What he missed is that on that load his profit was $250 ($2,000 rate minus $1,750 break even cost). He should have divided that factoring fee by his profit to see what it was really costing him. $100 divided by $250 equals 40%. A few nickle/dime bank fees and whatnot, and he's given up HALF his profit by using this factoring service.

    Your costs have got to be paid right now, no matter what. The only thing that gives you breathing room for unexpected or unplanned expenses is profit. Could be a catastrophic break down. Or maybe a big cargo claim. Or it could just be a bad load that has him sitting for a few days. Without that breathing room, he's screwed.

    Worse, if our guy took a cheap load to get out of a bad area, the rate being below break even to "cover fuel" or whatever reason, now the factoring cost has him even more upside down on break even.

    Now he's working for half the profit, but still bearing the burden for all of the costs. This is why I said: for the wrong customer, factoring will accelerate the path to bankruptcy.

    I would be saying, what's in it for me if I pay the balance in full and avoid that stupid high APR? This is often how "same-as-cash" deals are structured. I've purchased probably 90% of the major appliances and furnishings in my home doing deals like this and haven't paid 1¢ of interest. Reward credit cards are another that do this sort of thing.

    So, I wouldn't just broad brush anything with a high APR as a bad deal. What's critical is knowing and understanding all the costs and consequences, as well as being able to put a real number on whatever value you seek out of the deal.

    When I was factoring, I knew exactly what it was costing and had that figured into my business model. Over time, especially in the past year, the value I was getting from that relationship diminished. Mainly due to my business maturing. At one time I had invoices out all over the place and it was a full time job just to keep up with it. My factoring company took that on and delivered. For that time, I was getting the value from what that service cost me. For the most part, fast payment was icing on the cake. Not something I depended on.

    Now I can count my open accounts on one hand, and they're all solid and pay promptly and in less than 30 days. Consequently, the value I had been seeing is no longer there. Now I'm paying for something I don't need. Time to end it and shift that percentage of profit to my own bottom line.
     
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  6. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    With 47 trucks how we use factoring is not relevant to most here but there are two pieces that need to be considered when looking at factoring.

    First is collections. At least half of the fees that I pay would be used towards hiring an additional person for collections. And I don't have to worry about vacation, sick days, the person I hire being an idiot, etc. The headache is on my factoring company. Plus they have a team of collections people and most accounts want to keep a factoring company on their side as they all talk to each other.

    Second is credit. Early on the amount I paid for factoring (I don't send everything in) was less than the cost of a good commercial credit program. The ITS/DAT programs are garbage. Now, I pay for a commercial credit service to augment my factoring credit check and they have saved me on more than on occasion in the past year from making a big mistake.

    Yes, if you are using factoring as a payday loan then you need to look at your operation. But if you don't have a good credit policy in place a factoring company that does what they should (and they don't all do what they should) can pay for itself. It is a service that goes beyond loaning money on your invoices. Or, in our case, a service that allows me to grow without begging the bank every month of a line of credit increase because I want to add more trucks.
     
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  7. 6 Speed

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    You may be better served steering your long winded responses towards coming up with a swifter payment system rather than defending and even encouraging a service which in all honesty shouldn't even be necessary if not for the fact companies like Wallyworld and the other big box retailers are simply so slow in paying. As I mentioned above,all truckers cost are paid "in advance" which makes it nearly impossible to deal with such but nearly impossible to avoid for shear numbers.
     
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  9. G/MAN

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    Back during the Jimmy Carter days, interest rates and inflation was over 20%. I was involved in a company where we had open accounts. We didn't sell direct to consumers. Our customers were distributors and retailers. Our terms were 2% 10, net 30. For those not familiar with the terms, customers could discount their bill 2% if they paid us in 10 days or less. Otherwise, they would need to pay in 30 days with no discount. We also offered free shipping on prepaid orders with a minimum order. There was one larger company that would not pay for 120 days. I called him and he said that is the way we have it set up on the computer. I told him that our terms were net 30 and he was getting our best pricing. Unless he could pay within our terms that we would no longer do business with him. He was surprised when we cut him off and refused any further business from him. I won't do business with anyone who can't keep their word. Using a factor pushes the responsibility of collections on a 3rd party. With inflation and interest rates as high as they were in the late 70's, manufacturers could not afford to have open accounts for extended periods of time. We were pretty much self sufficient as far as cash was concerned, but if we had to borrow, rates were very high.
     
  10. Dave2014

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    As a new owner operator (waiting on authority), when it comes to factoring, what is the best company?

    Unfortunately, as a new entrant, I'm not in a position to not factor.

    Thanks,

    Dave
     
  11. G/MAN

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    I used D & S for several years. I don't know that I would recommend them since they change their terms. There are several factors that cater to the trucking industry. I would suggest you check with several of them and find one that works best for you. Rivera, Apex and TAB Bank all offer factoring. I don't know that I would recommend any of them. I have not used a factor for several years. There are two types of factors, recourse and non recourse. I prefer non recourse, even though the rate may be higher. With non recourse, you send the factor your bills and they send a check or make a direct deposit into your bank account. The factor has the responsibility of billing and collections. If the account fails to pay the factor eats the loss, not you. Read any factoring contract very carefully. Some charge extra fees and have minimums. When I was looking for a factor I wanted one that did not have a minimum, extra fees or forced me to send all of my receivables. At the time I had accounts that paid within a couple of days and there was no need to factor those loads. I would have my check before the factor could put money into my account and I would have had to give them 5%.

    Many brokers offer a quick pay option you can use to get your money faster. Some charge as little as 1 1/2-2%. That is much cheaper than factoring.
     
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