Any Equine Haulers? I need help figuring out insurance.

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  1. chris_karr

    chris_karr Light Load Member

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    I plan to run my 2500 cummins, with a 4 horse, head-to-head / LQ to get started.

    I understand that in the long-term that I will need to scale up, but this is what I have to work with for now. I am very good when it comes to hauling horses, been doing it with my own across country for awhile for shows and such, I probably stop to give water and check on the horses a bit more than the average hauler but I like to make sure they are okay and in good condition the entire trip. I run 3 hours then stop to water and check. and when running cross country I rest the horses for 5 hours after 10 hours of driving. Lastly I am excellent with loading it may take a couple to a few hours to load a difficult horse but my patience puts them at ease, and the use of techniques I learned from a Parelli video a couple years ago.
    The above is for those of you who may think I know nothing.

    I need help figuring out what kind of insurance I need on my truck and trailer. Commercial? Where would I get commercial insurance? Do I need my DOT# first? Then commercial insurance? Then my MC#?
    I also would like to know what kind of insurance policy I need for hauling horses as a business. Are there any other insurances I need to worry about?

    I just want to know my operating cost. I know this much:

    .37 cpm fuel
    .15 cpm maintenance fund
    .20 cpm new truck savings

    That's .72 thus far ...

    Thank you for any advice you can give me!
     
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  3. reefer75

    reefer75 Medium Load Member

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    Might want to check oida website I never hauled horses.I am guessing you will be"for hire" so I would guess you would need the same as a semi not to sure how that works. probably a little cheaper.Sorry not much help I will stick with my bovine
     
  4. glockwise

    glockwise Light Load Member

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    I think you're in the wrong place. Look for the bull rack section. Not the same, but similar.

    I'm sure you need a dot number. I think it would be ag exempt and therefore a mc is not necessary. I would recommend gen liabiliy and some sort of "cargo" insurance if the horse have any sort of value.

    Good Luck
     
  5. clausland

    clausland Road Train Member

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    You will need a USDOT #....If you're just going to haul Horses, I believe that they're considered an ag exempt commodity, so no MC Op Auth needed...There is a complete list of exempt commodities, I just have to remember where I found it....Currently, we only haul our own ag/farm products intrastate.....If you're going to haul interstate, even though exempt, you'll still come under the USDOT safety audit review and all that, safety records, drug/alcohol testing, vehicle maintenance records, etc....

    As far as insurance goes, they wanted to know how long I drove, my driving abstract, what we were going to haul, and approximate yearly miles.....We also put the farm under a LLC....Good luck
     
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  7. chris_karr

    chris_karr Light Load Member

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    The lines are so thin that is makes me nervous! Haha Here,

    Ordinary - Exempt
    Race Horses - Nonexempt (My horse no longer races 121 starts 52 wins. He's was a trotter, is he still considered a race horse?)
    Riding Horses - Exempt
    Show Horses - Not Exempt

    I'd have to keep this file on hand with the CVI and Coggins so I don't get screwed with, and even then DOT officers can be d**** because it's grey.
     
  8. chris_karr

    chris_karr Light Load Member

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    [h=3]Who Does Not Need Authority?[/h]All of this also dictates the level of insurance/financial responsibilities a company must maintain. Carriers not required to have operating authority include:

    • Private carriers (carriers that transport their own cargo)
    • “For-hire" carriers that exclusively haul exempt commodities (cargo that is not federally regulated)
    • Carriers that operate exclusively within a federally designated "commercial zone" that is exempt from interstate authority rules. A commercial zone is, for example, a geographic territory that includes multiple states bordering on a major metropolitan city, such as Virginia/Maryland/Washington, DC

    So if I haul ordinary horses then no mc# is needed, if I haul ANYTHING within the commercial zone then a MC# is not needed?
     
  9. clausland

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    You're getting the idea....Now after you file for your USDOT#, in about 4-6 months, you will likely receive a letter from the DOT closest to you wanting to visit to check your records and ensure that you are in compliance....The guy I spoke with was pretty descent, answered any questions I had and advised accordingly.....I learned a long time ago though that when dealing with the gov't, you want to call them directly to get the straight scoop and get the person's name you speak with....That's not to say you won't encounter some that haven't the foggiest idea what you're asking, but at least you're getting it first hand....

    Years ago things were never this complex, heck back in the '70's you just did it...It was a rare thing to have my logbook checked....In some States scales were closed more that open, not CT & VA though... Those days are long gone.. Now everyone's got their hand in your pocket....I could go on & on but you get the idea...


    As far as insurance goes, call or visit 2 or 3 legitimate ones, and explain just what you're looking to do....Let them give you quotes and go from there.....Do your homework well and then make an informed decision.....Years ago I wanted to haul hay in the worst way, figured I could make a good dollar at it.....But I didn't do my homework and ended up getting burned, not real bad, but I learned from that.....There's a lot of good advice on here from those that have done that and been there, take it all in, good stuff.....I hope this was of some help, good luck....
     
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