HHO Fuel Cells

[chamberland_666]

awsome i cant wait to try that ! thanx for the info , is there any other forums like this one ?

[violation_rollin]

Hi everyone,

Sorry I've been away from the thread, the combination of high fuel cost and low frieght, cause my boss to close his doors. Since I've had to seek employement between two seperate companies in order to continue hauling freight close to home.

My Space has some interesting products there. Looks like standard dry cells which are becoming the norm in this industry rather quickly because they are proven to work. I've also had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Gerrit Rozeboom from Class A Hydrogen Co. He held a booth at the Louisville, KY. Mid-America truck show. I'm sure he'll be back there this coming Spring as well. His address is GetTheCell.com. If anyone is interested.

Basically, alot of what is discuss here on this thread and throughout the industry as a whole is becoming more and more standardized as many of us play around and discover what does and doesn't work, and then share our results with other like-minded individuals. It's always healthy to learn new things, thanks to everyone here for all your advice and help....

Sincerely,

violation

[goldenequity]

Originally Posted by myspace23

Hi there Chamberland, For up North, use 1 cup of denatured alcohol to one gallon of distilled water. This will keep your electrolite from freezing. The alcohol will not separate from your mixture, so this should be a one time fix as long as you do not drain your system. I hope this helps out. Talk to you later. Duanne

As was [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. before......

Alcohols will work but....
the problem is vaporization. The vaporization rate of alcohol is really high... much higher than water.... the reason it feels "cold" when you put it on your skin and blow on it.

Compound an already high vapor rate with the fact that you are encouraging its evaporation with the cell heat and then bubbling HHO gas through it....... and you rid yourself of the alcohol content very quickly and are left again with water.
Whatever freeze point you were able to achieve by its addition, is constantly and rapidly reverting back to 32F as your concentration weakens.

[Rug_Trucker]

Well I have to jump in to this thread. I had a friend that was running OTR with a '06 Ram with the Cummins. He did pick up 2.5mpg. He had to constantly tweek it and had to refill it every 125 miles.

He bought it from a company on the East /coast of Florida. $1200!! it had a rheostat that he played with and an amp meter.

[Rug_Trucker]

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[bullhaulerswife]

Originally Posted by Rug_Trucker

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[chamberland_666]

goldenequity.... any other ideals as to what i can try for sub zero applications?

[goldenequity]

The answer is simple... but the design is not.

Most electrolytes are metallic salts.
As the concentration of these salts increases..... you lower your freeze point.
Some of these salts, with molar concentrations approaching 40%
can achieve a freeze point of -40F.
They have to use such concentrations in batteries that power Satellites.
(it's cold up there).

Controlling such a strong electrolyte is NOT easy.

Your problem then becomes one of power control to the electrodes.

A current limiting PWM (pulse width modulator); a powerful one that can maintain a steady hydroxy output from the cell
by restraining the amp draw, while preventing thermal runaway is your only choice.
Most PWM's are DEFINATELY not capable of this and would need to be
tested and proven to reliably handle such electrolyte concentrations.

Stainless Steel contacts and connections RESIST the flow of electricity
(unlike Copper for instance) and therefore heat up.... they are not a good choice within a cell design.

Electrodes: metal composition, design, spacing and configuration including neutrals all play a part in stabilizing such a system.

Varying and matching the hydroxy output to sync with the engine rpm in real time engine demand is not only possible,
but makes a lot of sense in maintaining constant lean air/fuel ratios.

Safety issues.... auto shut-off switching on engine stalls or low water or thermal runaway is critical to a good design.

What I'm describing is a "smart" cell design... one that senses, controls and reacts.... but tough enough last for 100,000 miles.

You're going to look long and hard before you find one with that kind of capability.... but that's what you're after.

Hope that helps.

[violation_rollin]

I've seen the use of a circulatory pump that runs while the truck is plugged in at night. Keeping the water moving does help prevent freeze up. But to how low of temp I do not know...

[Rug_Trucker]

Anyone have have real data doing a before and after tail pipe sniffer test?