HHO Fuel Cells

[Hammer166]

Oh you just quack me up!

You don't have the slightest clue...

An internal combustion engine is a heat pump. One which puts 70%, in a gas engine, or 55%, if it's diesel, of it's generated heat through the exhaust and radiator as waste heat. What you put in the combustion chamber doesn't change the efficiency of the design.

The big gains in gas engines come through modifications(including H2 introduction) which allow the engine to run without detonation at very lean mixtures. This allows the throttle to opened further, reducing manifold vacuum, increasing the efficiency of the motor by reducing parasitic losses. (by the way, somebody, I think GM, is working on a gas engine that works like a diesel under light loads. HCCI, if I remember right)

Since a diesel has no throttle, and runs leaner than a gas engine by design, just where does the magic gain come from? Combustion efficiency in both types is well into the 90% range.

As far as H2 combustion resulting in water which cools the engine, how come all the water produced from hydrocarbon combustion doesn't have the same effect? Oh, that's right! It didn't come from HHO! Duh!

[goldenequity]

There you go again.... looking at an internal combustion engine as "just" a heat pump (sigh).

Here ya go.... try this:
Wrap you fingers tightly around a firecracker....tighter!
Now.....Light the fuse.
wait........ wait......
ok.
Now..... did your fingers fly across the room?
or just melt?
Was the firecracker "just" a heater?

[bullhaulerswife]

Warning: Debate the issue and act like adults and stop attacking each other, or this thread will be closed, and more severe actions will be taken.

[goldenequity]

Ok....
Future posts will be directed towards those that are more interested in
subjects researched and lean more towards the questions of HOW
to use HHO in an ICE ......and WHAT it takes to gain full advantage of the
technology.

There are REASONS why some show very respectable gains and some do not.....
like a previous poster was TRYING to say.... the more he understands and fiddles with it and researches..... the better his results are becoming.
Hats off to you..... it's FUN isn't it?

Much progress has been made PAST the "jelly jar" days with baking soda and a direct 12V feed off the battery.... so I will post what I know about this progress.

Cheers!

[goldenequity]

Hi...
I haven't abandoned this thread.... just taking a break.... it was a 'little' rough getting started here so I thought I'd start another thread that's related to the power of hydrogen and combustion in an ICE found [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. .
The two are definately related to where we're headed.

[violation_rollin]

Thanks for the posting Golden, I have found your numbers to be very close to what I see actually happen out there on the road with my truck. I run a 14L Detroit with a 10 spd trans. I've seen my Loaded miles increase from 5mpg to 7mpg (40,000 in box), and my empty miles have gone from 6.2mpg up to 8.75mpg.

I will say that the quality of the gas being produced really determines the results you get. Quality, referring to the moisture content of the gas being produced. The drier the better, and that is the most important secret of all that no one talks about for sustained fuel efficiency.

[wannadriveatruckSC]

What are your thoughts on this. Think it would work?

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[violation_rollin]

Well, I know that it does work. I use it daily, and I've joined this thread to share/gain more knowledge on the matter. To get it to work in a sustained manner does take work, but yes, it can be done.

[wannadriveatruckSC]

Originally Posted by violation_rollin

Well, I know that it does work. I use it daily, and I've joined this thread to share/gain more knowledge on the matter. To get it to work in a sustained manner does take work, but yes, it can be done.

you use the Hy-drive?

[GasHauler]

Lets assume that HHO works like a charm and starts to take off like a wild fire. And lets say more and more vehicles are using this technology and it because such a common sight that just about every vehicle has it. Now lets look down the road 10 to 20 years. Doesn't this technology consume water? So in the future the gasoline companies will simply add water sales along with their petroleum sales. Then you'll be paying more. But the real problem would be the environmental impact. Clean water is getting harder to find as consumption goes up. And I'm just talking about drinking water. Take Las Vegas NV. They have to buy water from Arizona right now just to supply the people. They've pumped so much water out of the ground you can actually see where the ground has sunken at a pump station on U.S. 95 on the south side right before Valley View Blvd. The piping sicks out above the ground about 10 feet or so.

Even if we were to build desalinization plants guess where the cost would be? So right now it might be a good idea by I don't believe it's a good fix for the furture.