HHO Fuel Cells

[JMF2479]

I'll try it, where do you get that at?

I forgot to add on making a hydrogen generator, you may want a voltage meter, so water doesn't start to boil and make steam

[Acer12]

Originally Posted by JMF2479

I'll try it, where do you get that at?

I forgot to add on making a hydrogen generator, you may want a voltage meter, so water doesn't start to boil and make steam

The Tartaric Acid, which I'm sure would be better, you would probably have to order on-line. The Cream of Tarter, ( a poor-mans substitute) is found in the spice isle at the Grocery Store.

[violation_rollin]

Ya, Its just a spice. My wife has some in the cabinet right now.

[violation_rollin]

Originally Posted by wannadriveatruckSC

Where did you get the plans or are you just inclined to this kind of stuff? I have found a few things on the internet (books) for $97. E-bay has a system for $150.

Well, you could say that I'm just inclined to this sort of stuff...Just be careful about what you do buy if you do buy anything on-line. It's true that there are a lot of scams out there. It might be safer to experiment on your own and keep your ear to the ground listening to everyone sucesses and failures and then proceed with your own plans accordingly.

I learn new stuff about this everyday ie; Acer's tip on tartaric acid...

Just rememeber this, no one person out here knows everything about this and no one else but you knows your truck better. I'd suggest you build yours to suit your specific needs.

Violation,

[violation_rollin]

Just got back from a 3300 mile run this week and noticed a distinct observation regarding performance VS. weather. I mainly drive throughout the South and mostly in GA. I've only had the HHO generator in the truck since this past June and the South has been extremely dry this year, so I never noticed this before this week.

When I left out from Inidana on Sunday, Oct 5, a large cold front L pressure system was coming into the Midwest. I ran down to Valdosta, GA. Loaded 26,000 in box and got 7.65 mpg. At that time, I was ahead of the front. Then I ran into Orlando, FL and returned north (empty) back to Albany, GA for a return load to Indiana on Tuesday Oct 7. The air had become thick with humidy and a fellow driver in our fleet had phoned me to let me know that he had been in rain from TN all the way back to IN. MY fuel mileage fell to 6.5mpg. I couldn't figure it out!?! Being empty I had seen mileage up in the 9-10mpg range so nothing made sense...

I then proceeded North from Albany loaded (44,000 in box), but my mileage never got any better then 6.0mpg. Rain the whole way back. Then on Thursday in Valparaiso, IN after the front had moved through I reloaded (28,000 in box), and finished the week getting 7.65mpg not a cloud in the sky and crisp cool air.

The point is....Humidity in the air greatly affected the performance. It appeared that the weather completely negates the affects of the in-line drier. So, when it is raining, muggy, or foggy it appears one would be better turning the HHO Generator off.

Still learning,

Violation

[violation_rollin]

Been playing with varing electrolytes over the weekend.
Acer suggested tartaric acid and that got me going back to the chemistry books. Various bases and acids can be used, but the one that stands above the rest in the formation of ions formed for electrolyte performance is....(drum roll please). HCL, hydrocloric acid. HCL fully dissolves into H2O and you are left with H30 and liquid CL.

When in the HHO Generator you will notice an increase in Hydrogen production, and that the remaining water in the cell basically becomes bleach. Note: this doesn't take alot at all!!! My cell holds just under 1 gallon of water, and my results came from just 2cc of HCL from Household rust remover with a 20% concentration of HCL.

I still don't know what the long term affects will be on the lifespan of the plates yet...Should know by next week. Currently I get right at 20,000 miles using baking soda before I have to replace the plates due to wear.

Have fun,

Violation

[goldenequity]

Hi violation,
Been away from the thread for a week and just checked in.

Your observations regarding moisture and mpg are very interesting to me.
I'm not sure what I think about it yet... but will keep thinking about a dry HHO vs. HHO+vapor. Your comment about turning off the cell is a little confusing... are you saying it is offering NO mileage gain during rain/hi humidity OR are you saying it is actually REDUCING your mpg during hi-humidity? Why turn it off... is there a benefit to NOT running it during these conditions?

Regarding HCL:
Electrolyzing a solution of HCL can/will produce chlorine gas... a big no no.
Same with table salt.... not recommended from people who have tested this.

Are you running any neutral plates in your cell design? or just pos/neg/pos/neg etc.

Are you experiencing "iron bloom" in your electrolyte (brown sponge precipitate?)

Thanks for reporting your experience to this thread.

cheers

[goldenequity]

A comment on your experiences by a good friend and engineer I work with,

"The issue as to why it changes on his truck in particular is most likely his maf/map sensor. The sensor reads the density of the air.... When humid, the air is denser which equates to the sensor adding more fuel. Why the marked difference??? The answer lies in the truck itself. Most likely the sensor needs to be replaced, it sounds to me like it has been contaminated at some point or has gone out of spec at some point. To continue with his claim without ECM data is misleading at best, regardless of intent.

I do not believe that the humidity has "anything" to do with the reduced mileage."

I tend to agree with him and think it to be a good idea to run some simple diagnostics on your ECM and check for error codes or simply swap out the MAF to be on the safe side.
Cheers!

[violation_rollin]

Originally Posted by violation_rollin

Been playing with varing electrolytes over the weekend.
Acer suggested tartaric acid and that got me going back to the chemistry books. Various bases and acids can be used, but the one that stands above the rest in the formation of ions formed for electrolyte performance is....(drum roll please). HCL, hydrocloric acid. HCL fully dissolves into H2O and you are left with H30 and liquid CL.

When in the HHO Generator you will notice an increase in Hydrogen production, and that the remaining water in the cell basically becomes bleach. Note: this doesn't take alot at all!!! My cell holds just under 1 gallon of water, and my results came from just 2cc of HCL from Household rust remover with a 20% concentration of HCL.

I still don't know what the long term affects will be on the lifespan of the plates yet...Should know by next week. Currently I get right at 20,000 miles using baking soda before I have to replace the plates due to wear.

Have fun,

Violation

OK, quick update:

HCL is a good cleaner to refresh your plates, but not a good electrolyte for continued used over the road. Ran one day approximately 700 miles and lets just say that I'll be replacing plates very soon.

[violation_rollin]

Originally Posted by goldenequity

Hi violation,
Been away from the thread for a week and just checked in.

Your observations regarding moisture and mpg are very interesting to me.
I'm not sure what I think about it yet... but will keep thinking about a dry HHO vs. HHO+vapor. Your comment about turning off the cell is a little confusing... are you saying it is offering NO mileage gain during rain/hi humidity OR are you saying it is actually REDUCING your mpg during hi-humidity? Why turn it off... is there a benefit to NOT running it during these conditions?

Are you running any neutral plates in your cell design? or just pos/neg/pos/neg etc.

Are you experiencing "iron bloom" in your electrolyte (brown sponge precipitate?)

Thanks for reporting your experience to this thread.

cheers

Good to hear from you too,

Humidity: It has been observed that during rain/Hi humidity I actually lose any gained mileage even with the drier. Once the HHO gas enters the intake manifold it mixes with incoming outside air. Therefore hi humidity coming in basically negects the affects of the in-line drier since the HHO gas has a naturaly affinity to reform into Water. Just like when the Generator gets hot and produces excessive vapor and actually results in decreased fuel mileage the same is seen while driving through rain (600 miles of rain). So I just turn it off and settle for standard mileage until the rain passes.

Iron bloom: Yes, and I've switched from 304 grade to 316 grade SS. Furthermore I incorporate Hydrualic fluid to trap the bloom in an oil layer keeping it out of the solution.

Neutral Plates: ??? first I've heard of that one....So no, I am not running them. What are the benefits?