Hydrogen Power!!

[Wings2Wheels]

Medicine Man and im6under are absolutely correct.

This 'hydrogen power' nonsense is exactly that.

With all the B.S. emmissions #### that the motors have gone through since '03, wouldn't you think EVERY manufacturer would be on the 'hydrogen power' bandwagon - if it actually worked. Also, every green-lovin' tree-huggin' hippie would be waxing poetic about the benefits of this system.

Use your noggin man!

[Andrew]

To all Petroleum payers and plastic consumers:

U.S. Petroleum companies make in the range of 1 Trillion dollars in net profit EACH YEAR.

Do you think they have money to pay the U.S.A. big three car manufacturers to keep cars at 2 valve per cylinders for so many years ? YOU BET.

Do you think in light of the profits they make and that raw petroleum is nowhere at an end of supply they will pay to block "alternatives" however real or not ? YOU BET.

Think while you think, money talks, follow the money and don't step in the ########.

Do you think even that the car manufacturers want to produce autos that are more efficient, do not break down as often and are rust & chemical proof,
just so you don't spend more money ? WAKE UP DRUNK PEOPLE !!!

We all love hotrods and rumbling engines from Harley to the retro Dodge Challenger, does that mean we are NOT getting screwed on reliability, longevity
and economy of these products ? Think with your Head Not with your Heart.

New car prices (and bikes), much like petroleum, doubled in price accounting for inflation too, while OUR SALARIES DID NOT, in fact salaries have dropped in the last 20 years.

Don't follow fashion, stop believing everything the media shoves in your face,
stopped being railroaded and follow the money.

[Markvfl]

I studied the HHO technology (?) at great length. No one wants to believe in it more than me. I offered to buy one from a number of companies making big claims and have them professionally install a system on my truck and verify that it produced results at least close to their claims. None agreed to the very reasonable request.

A good clue that something sold on Ebay, or anywhere, is a scam is if they accept Paypal, checks or money orders only - no credit cards. They don't accept CC's because a purchaser has recourse when they use a credit card to make a purchase. None of the HHo generators sold on Ebay (that I could find), actually - I could not find one anywhere that accepts credit cards as payment.

A freind bought an HHo generator called the HIPC from Dutchman Enterprises for $1100 to install on his 1993 Toyota. He paid 600 bucks for installation. It gave him zero results. WTH was he thinking? He spent the replacement value of the whole truck on a worthless gizmo... P.T. Barnum got it right!

[Andrew]

Problem with HHO ADD on plans to begin with is that it is something you ADD to your existing engine. A novel idea in the light of fuel prices, but you still use fuel. Yes, they are theoretical plans and some may even have tested parts for sale that can be put together well, by an expert mechanic. It needs to be engineered/planned well and executed well (parts and all), which is what the system is lacking to be widely installed in all vehicles. Is it possible ? Yes ! Are the petroleum companies or car industry going to foot the bill, hell NO !

However, I am saying dump the petroleum engine alltogether, ceramic/titanium alloys allow for both a rustproof engine and one more resistant to heat, thus more suitable for burning hydrogen, a new engine cost an average of $5000 ? You run water at 100mi./gal. ? Save $3000 a year in gas money for 15K mi. of an average vehicle.

I think the vehicles the system will not work for (if system was good or properly tuned) are vehicles with the highest compression
in the engine already set by manufacturer (which I think is 11:1 for non-turbo, non-diesel).

[Wings2Wheels]

Originally Posted by Andrew

I think the vehicles the system will not work for (if system was good or properly tuned) are vehicles with the highest compression in the engine already set by manufacturer (which I think is 11:1 for non-turbo, non-diesel).

Which is exactly the point of this whole debate.

No, they WON'T work with today's internal combustion engines.

What do you put into your standard diesel engine to make power? Fuel, and air. That's it.

Add anything else into the mix, and you are screwing the fuel/air ratio, and thereby producing less power.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Wings2Wheels

Which is exactly the point of this whole debate.

No, they WON'T work with today's internal combustion engines.

What do you put into your standard diesel engine to make power? Fuel, and air. That's it.

Add anything else into the mix, and you are screwing the fuel/air ratio, and thereby producing less power.

Adding hydrogen to the mix will change the following: lower the pressure at which the fuel mix ignites requiring less effort = more power, increase temperature and explosion power = hazard for engine even if long term faster wear, even more power AND last but not least the danger of water deposits on parts. Yes, they do work IF installed and adjusted by an Expert mechanic.
Many Americans still run old Tri-Car company vehicles & pickup trucks,
with compressions ranging from 8.0-9.0:1, which ARE the vehicles that would
benefit the most from the Add-On Hydrolitic System. But again, I am not at the
level I want to install & adjust it myself and besides trucks, I drive my 1991 Mercury Grand Marquis LS & the compression is 8.2:1.
I want to see a Full Hydrolitic Engine offered by the car companies.
Not because I feel the need to be "green" or environment friendly, the industries
go unchecked like shipping, airlines and manufacturers under the guise of
"global warming" they fleece us the working class AGAIN.
Say No to the Petroleum rip-off.

[im6under]

Originally Posted by drfuller18

Whats the aluminum for?? Theres no aluminum involved with this! And the current is regulated..So I take it you want free everything!! Including diesel fuel...lol Just check it out, its working good for me...Go where you may with it!

working good for you is fine but is not science or math...

you can't hook an electric motor to an electric generator and give it a spin expecting the spinning generator to produce enough electricity to power the electric motor that is keeping the generator turning to power the elctric motor which is turning the generator..............

sure it sounds good... it even makes a little sense until you start thinking...

[im6under]

Originally Posted by drfuller18

I bet you never thought how good stainless steel could replace that aluminum.. And last a whole lot longer than aluminum.. So goodbye Aluminum... Dont need you anymore for this! And you may not believe this but Im talking about just enough to cut back on my cost of fuel. Not enough to make a Hydrogen Bomb or something, just reduce the need for so much fuel.. Not totally fuel free.. Ive used no aluminum and its works for me.. Along with regulating the amperage to approx 15 amps I do pretty good. I use lower amperage in the city for you dont need so much, approx 5 amps. Im not selling anything and will not sell anything that involves this.. But its something every individual in this country should check out.. There are alot of sites out there.. Check them out and hell ask, I dont mind telling. I got all my Ideas from the site listed above. The only thing I bought was the MAP sencer, and it wasnt from them..

maybe you are subconsciously not stomping the pedal as hard and that is where your perceived savings comes from... you know?? its all in your head...

[Mr. PlumCrazy]

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