Governors talk of moving beyond corn-based ethanol

[Cybergal]

Governors talk of moving beyond corn-based ethanol
7/13/08

PHILADELPHIA - Governors from the coal fields of West Virginia to the corn fields of Iowa talked Sunday at their summer meeting about moving beyond ethanol produced just from food sources.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080713/...U5ehiNb.is0NUE

[hondadrv24]

"I truly do not believe that a food-based product should be used for energy," said Gov. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, where almost all energy needs are met by coal. "It should be used for human consumption."


What a moron!!! Humans don't eat the corn that is used for ethanol, the only way we do is in corn chips and corn flakes and corn meal. Livestock eats this corn. The corn that we eat the most of (sweet corn and popcorn) are totally different crops, and raised by way fewer growers than those who grow the standard field corn we see around the country. I wish some one would educate these idiots we have in leadership as to how big their dental bill would be if they tried to eat the field corn that they fear ethanol is taking out of their food source, and show them that the reason that food prices are going up is that the fuel for us to truck the food to them is outrageously priced because of people like Hugo Chavez.

[lobshot]

Originally Posted by hondadrv24

"I truly do not believe that a food-based product should be used for energy," said Gov. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, where almost all energy needs are met by coal. "It should be used for human consumption."


What a moron!!! Humans don't eat the corn that is used for ethanol, the only way we do is in corn chips and corn flakes and corn meal. Livestock eats this corn. The corn that we eat the most of (sweet corn and popcorn) are totally different crops, and raised by way fewer growers than those who grow the standard field corn we see around the country. I wish some one would educate these idiots we have in leadership as to how big their dental bill would be if they tried to eat the field corn that they fear ethanol is taking out of their food source, and show them that the reason that food prices are going up is that the fuel for us to truck the food to them is outrageously priced because of people like Hugo Chavez.

This is true.......however.........ethanol from corn is an energy loser. It takes more to produce it than it yields in return. It only produces about 20 gallons per acre per year.
Read my post about algae...........it is incredible and very much more productive.

[Ron-MARS Trucking]

Originally Posted by lobshot

This is true.......however.........ethanol from corn is an energy loser. It takes more to produce it than it yields in return. It only produces about 20 gallons per acre per year.
Read my post about algae...........it is incredible and very much more productive.

Yup, Why can't we do as Brazil and produce ethanol from sugar cane?

I still say "Drill, drill. drill"

[bullhaulerswife]

The problem with corn based petroleum is that it IS taking from our food sources, just in a round about way. The corn used to produce ethanol is the same corn that is used to feed livestock. So the ranchers are hurting with the price and the shortage.

When hubby started hauling cattle, average number on his truck to max out his weight was around 32, now ranchers are cutting their feed time down and sending them to market light, and average has jumped by 10-14 on a load.

Sending a cow to market 500lbs lighter saves them money, but still will create a shortage in meat in the country.

Any way you look at it, its upsetting the food chain.

[peanut2008]

No matter how much they drill or how much oil they have the oil companies will still control our economy.They have no competition and people believe every thing they say and the only thing that will help is for the oil companies to have competition that will be in the form of bio-diesel and ethanol.

[gearjammer-2000]

Originally Posted by hondadrv24

"I truly do not believe that a food-based product should be used for energy," said Gov. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, where almost all energy needs are met by coal. "It should be used for human consumption."


What a moron!!! Humans don't eat the corn that is used for ethanol, the only way we do is in corn chips and corn flakes and corn meal. Livestock eats this corn. The corn that we eat the most of (sweet corn and popcorn) are totally different crops, and raised by way fewer growers than those who grow the standard field corn we see around the country. I wish some one would educate these idiots we have in leadership as to how big their dental bill would be if they tried to eat the field corn that they fear ethanol is taking out of their food source, and show them that the reason that food prices are going up is that the fuel for us to truck the food to them is outrageously priced because of people like Hugo Chavez.

well I happen to like corn chips and corn flakes, I also like a good steak once in a while from a good corn fed cow, i also like eggs and chicken that happen to be fed corn, what about the bacon that is corn fed pork, and the hundreds of other uses that corn is used for sorry I agree with him you do NOT use food crops to make alcohol there are so many better ways to go green than that will not cause the price of all food products to go up

[rwings]

Originally Posted by hondadrv24

"I truly do not believe that a food-based product should be used for energy," said Gov. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, where almost all energy needs are met by coal. "It should be used for human consumption."


What a moron!!! Humans don't eat the corn that is used for ethanol, the only way we do is in corn chips and corn flakes and corn meal. Livestock eats this corn. The corn that we eat the most of (sweet corn and popcorn) are totally different crops, and raised by way fewer growers than those who grow the standard field corn we see around the country. I wish some one would educate these idiots we have in leadership as to how big their dental bill would be if they tried to eat the field corn that they fear ethanol is taking out of their food source, and show them that the reason that food prices are going up is that the fuel for us to truck the food to them is outrageously priced because of people like Hugo Chavez.

While I am not a big ethanol fan I agree, it is not taking from our food supply, or the livestock food supply. After the corn and various grains are compressed and have fermented, the grain solids are separated from the syrup in a centrifuge and both are fed to livestock. I get paid good money to haul the high protein syrup produced by the ethanol plant as a nutritional supplement. I would say for every 1 truck load of ethanol produced, they also produce about 5 to 6 truck loads of livestock feed, so I don't see that their is a lot of waisted grain or corn. Besides it is field corn, as you stated, and would have been fed to the livestock in the first place.

[Biker]

Ethanol is a loose-loose fuel. It costs far too much to produce in energy costs to plant and harvest along with processing. More research needs to go into producing alternative fuels where the energy cost doesn't put it in the hole before you even get to burn the stuff.

[Ron-MARS Trucking]

Originally Posted by peanut2008

No matter how much they drill or how much oil they have the oil companies will still control our economy.They have no competition and people believe every thing they say and the only thing that will help is for the oil companies to have competition that will be in the form of bio-diesel and ethanol.

Oil company execs control our economy?????
Sorry you are misguided by:

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