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Biodiesel & Alternative Fuels Forum This is a forum to discuss bio-diesel and other kinds of alternative fuels. We think bio-diesel is the next revolution as Hydrogen costs too much to make and putting food (Ethanol) in your tank is not feasible and will cause food prices to skyrocket. What say you on bio-diesel? Should we start this bio-diesel revolution and kick it into high gear?

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Old 09.25.2008
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Golden! Here's a question/thought....I've been running an HHO generator now for about 5 months, and I've had to overcome the obstacle of water vapor being produced in excess. When this happens my fuel mileage (which was elevated) begins to drop off sharply. Well, that stands to reason, because fuel doesn't burn well in the presence of water. So I had to go back a design an in-line drier for the HHO generator. Currently it is working very well. With the drier, am able to maintain my elevated mileage for hundreds of miles on end, (occupation, truck driver).

Everything I'm learning about the HHO generator from the Semi I am applying to my family car as well. The truck gives me great opportunity to perform long test in very short time.

So here's my question. Could I theoretically run plasma plugs in my car along with the HHO generator without the in-line drier and intentionally feed water vapor rich HHO Gas into the combustion chamber and produce expotential gains from both????

Curious about what you think,

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Final Bench test of CDI Distributor setup

This is a completely different ignition setup and but same basic plasma circuit
This will be going into a Volkswagen van this weekend.
Looks good 2 me.... whaddyathink?

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remember the frame rate skips the very fast visual sparks.... they're all there of course!
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Golden! Here's a question/thought....I've been running an HHO generator now for about 5 months, and I've had to overcome the obstacle of water vapor being produced in excess. When this happens my fuel mileage (which was elevated) begins to drop off sharply. Well, that stands to reason, because fuel doesn't burn well in the presence of water. So I had to go back a design an in-line drier for the HHO generator. Currently it is working very well. With the drier, am able to maintain my elevated mileage for hundreds of miles on end, (occupation, truck driver).

Everything I'm learning about the HHO generator from the Semi I am applying to my family car as well. The truck gives me great opportunity to perform long test in very short time.

So here's my question. Could I theoretically run plasma plugs in my car along with the HHO generator without the in-line drier and intentionally feed water vapor rich HHO Gas into the combustion chamber and produce expotential gains from both????

Curious about what you think,

Violation
Hi violation
Congrats on getting the semi running well on hho.::

As far as plasma + hho + vapor + fossil fuel .... that's exactly where all this is headed. And most of what I post here is cutting edge stuff.
The verdict is still out but there is a lot of good engineering and empirical testing that will begin very soon on EXACTLY that.

I'm pretty sure that what you're talking about will first be tried on the single cylinder generators first. They're a lot easier to tear into and inspect for any signs of negative effects.

The combination obviously has great potential for energy release and performance increase...... but nobody's willing to sacrifice their cars over it (heh heh). They will try it with gas, you can be sure and observe performance and probably play around with a/f ratios first.

This most recent video will have a toggle setup in the dash to toggle between plasma and normal ignition on the fly. We're all waiting anxiously for his report..... there are at least 6-10 independent projects getting closer to what I've posted here on the thread.

All I can say is hopes are high and efforts are determined to succeed.
Stay tuned and I'm glad to help your efforts in any way I can.

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Well, I'm willing to donate a 1993 Ford Ranger pick-up to the advancement. I first need to learn more about these plasma plugs, and how they can be made and installed to perform correctly. Yes, I've seen the video of the VW micro bus.

What else beyond diodes and plugs is needed?

I have a 3.0 liter V-6 here to play with. Just a beater truck that I drive every other weekend to the hardware store mostly, but I does run well.
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OK, OK, I see now. 1 power inverter, 1 4-way bridge recterfier, 1 capacitor, 1 diode; however, is this per plug, or can all plugs be bridged off the coil on inderpendent diodes to their respective cyclinders? It all doesn't look too complicated...So why not take the plunge and just do it!
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Plasma Bug

Running on gasoline
Plasma CDI ignition
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per designer:
Next will be gasoline and alcohol emulsions then experimentation with distilled water.
Much less pungent odor from the exhaust.
No smoke.
Don't need to choke to warm up.
Solid combustion, better low end torque, and more.

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Golden, Congradulations....

YOU ARE THE MAN!!!! That was a very cool clip, and by the way THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the schematic.

Hey what size power inverter are you using. I already have a 1000 watt inverter that I use in the truck, so I'll need to buy another for the plasma plugs.

By the way, nice Bug, is that a 1972?
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Question There,

What about the waste spark? Please explain...My guess is your Mosfet charge and dischargers have alot to do with that.

Can't wait to hear about your updates. This is so cool.
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Golden If you want to add HHO to your Bug. You might be interested in knowing that if your HHO generator operates at a temperature of 115 degress F or higher, then large amounts of water vapor will be carried forward along with any HHO being produced.

I've actually done burn rate tests and found that cooler produced HHO readily expodes, but any HHO over 115 has so much vapor in it that it becomes hard to even ignite. Just imagine what Plasma could do with this...!
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Hi Violation
That is a '72 bug (good guess!!!).... but it's not mine.. and thats
not me (lol)... I'm following his progress... his name is greg...
and his EE knowledge goes way past mine....
exciting stuff tho.... I will keep this thread and you updated.

Thanks for sharing your experience with water vapor and "dry" HHO...
the hotter you run your cell of course the more vapor you produce..
but then the more amps you draw/heat.... the more gas you're
making... kind of a catch 22... your inline drier seems to solve the problem.
congrats!
Can you describe your cell?
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