2 hour deferral/48 hour averaging....

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  1. Freightlinerbob

    Freightlinerbob Road Train Member

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    I've never used this provision. Can one actually log 16 hours of work/ driving on day 1 and make up the 2 hours off duty on day 2?

    Is this correct:

    Day 1:

    13 driving
    3 on duty
    8 off duty

    Day 2:

    11 driving
    1 on duty
    12 off duty.


    Thanks.
     
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  3. gokiddogo

    gokiddogo Road Train Member

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    https://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/mcd/mce/pdf/hos.pdf

    Page 26 and 27 ...
    I have never used this provision, but it appears it is legal .. I am thinking how it works is you use up your 14/13 as fast as possible, eliminating the 16 hour window, know what I mean?
     
  4. Freightlinerbob

    Freightlinerbob Road Train Member

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    Thanks for that link.
    The example shows 14 hours driving and 2 in duty on day 1, but the driving doesn't exceed 13 hours at once. So....it looks like the 13/14 hour rule per shift still applies but if you sleep sometime where it doesn't begin or end at midnight, you can continue to work/ drive in day 1.
     
  5. Pullin2

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    Sleeper split - 4 on 4 off 4 on 4 off 4 on 4 off etc etc
     
  6. Freightlinerbob

    Freightlinerbob Road Train Member

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    What does that have to do with my question?
     
  7. not4hire

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    Okay, here's the section of the Act...


    And here's the applicable content from the CCMTA "Commercial Vehicle Drivers Hours of Service Regulations Application Guide" (can be referenced similarly as the FMCSA "Guidance" in the U.S.)...

    There are also some log page examples in the Application Guide that are worth looking at.


    So, in simplest form, You can't extend you 13/14, but you can work/drive an extra 2 hours in a day so long as you take 8 consecutive off. Then your 2 deferred hours get attached to Day 2's 8 consecutive off so now you have to take 12 hours off which can be split 10/2.

    From your op, you would be in violation as you are over 14 hours total of driving + on-duty if all taken consecutively as shown. You are only deferring your off-duty time, you cannot extend your 13/14 with this provision. You can extend the 13/14 under the "adverse driving conditions" provision.

    I used to use the deferral a lot. A few years ago I was on a pipe haul that was M-F and I would use Day 1 on Thu. and Day 2 on Fri. In that case it didn't matter because I was off-duty more than 36 hours, but it's good to note (as stated above) that you do not have to add the 2 deferred hours to your 36 if you are taking a reset. I have used that quite a bit as well.
     
  8. Freightlinerbob

    Freightlinerbob Road Train Member

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    That's helpful. It seems the most advantageous time to use the deferral is the day before a reset.
     
  9. not4hire

    not4hire Road Train Member

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    That, or if you need to get an extra up to 2 hours driving/on-duty in to make a delivery and you know you'll be able to make up the time afterwards. I used it a lot more than split-sleeper as the hours were easier to keep track of.
     
  10. Freightlinerbob

    Freightlinerbob Road Train Member

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    They gave us the deferral and took the 4 hour self inflicted torture provision. I used to use that Fridays, on my third Vancouver to Prince George rounder of the week. I may have gotten home 4 hours earlier but I couldn't get my carcass off the couch the rest of the weekend.
     
  11. Pullin2

    Pullin2 Crusty Canuck

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    I was pretty sure the deferred part was answered. Sleeper splits are another way to maximize your time - and kill your body if you're not used to it.
     
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