Wheelbase and Governed Trucks

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  1. Prairie Boy

    Prairie Boy Road Train Member

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    http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/Content/docType281/production/B-train.pdf
     
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  3. Runawayscreaming

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    That document is the dis-harmonious (Alberta is that special child, as usual) 2013 version. The National (harmonious) memorandum of understanding was signed in October of 2014. Obviously the Government of Alberta has not integrated the MOU into its documents and I don't think any other province has either. The MOU may have to work its way through Provincial legislative committees before being published in the bodies of Provincial Highway Traffic Acts and Provincial Motor Vehicle Acts and then in plain-english documents like the PDF you linked. Meanwhile, due to the obscure weirdness of the concept of an MOU, practically nobody has been made aware of this important (to me anyway, since I have been complaining to Members of Legislatures for years) change to trucking regulations, which also includes a National harmonization of tri-drive dimensions.

    So, sleepers can now house espresso machines, skis and bicycles and B-Trains can freely travel from Alberta to Nova Scotia without being victimized by bureaucratic dimension Nazis working the New Brunswick scales who make you split the train to pass through their fair Province twice for no good reason. I do love New Brunswick though.
     
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  4. not4hire

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    Before calling you a liar, I figured I better look (the BC regulations are still the same as Alberta's... we're not so special ;) )... by golly, you're right. :)

    Heavy Truck Weight and Dimension Limits for Interprovincial Operations in Canada

    Resulting From
    The Federal-Provincial-Territorial Memorandum of Understanding on Interprovincial Weights and Dimensions


    Amendment 8:
    In October 2014 changes were made as follows:

    • Increase in the Overall Length Limit for B Train Double Trailer Combinations from 25 m to 27.5 metres
    MOU Implications
    Under the terms of the Memorandum of Understanding, each of the provinces and territories will permit vehicles which comply with the appropriate weights and dimensions described in the following section to travel on a designated system of highways in their jurisdiction. It should be recognized that each jurisdiction continues to retain authority to allow more liberal weights and dimensions, or different types of vehicle configurations, for trucking operations within their jurisdiction. In addition, for trucking operations which take place between adjacent jurisdictions with compatible weight and dimension regulations which are more liberal than those specified in this document, the local regulations will prevail.

    The Provincial and Territorial governments in Canada have authority over the weight and dimension limits which apply to the highways within their boundaries. The Memorandum of Understanding on Interprovincial Weights and Dimensions (MOU) is intended to provide improved uniformity in weight and dimension limits through establishment of minimum and/or maximum thresholds acceptable to all jurisdictions for eight configurations of vehicles commonly used in interprovincial transportation.

    A vehicle meets the requirements of this Memorandum when all of the following conditions are met:

    4. Its length, including load, does not exceed:
    Category 3: B Train Double 27.5 metres​


    http://www.comt.ca/english/programs/trucking/MOU 2014.pdf


    An espresso machine and a hot tub for relaxing after a long day's work sounds in order. :)

    Interestingly, no increase in truck/tractor wheelbase... still 6.2 m.
     
  5. Prairie Boy

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    I was wrong.....my bad. I guess 27.5 is the limit as BC would require you to have a pilot car if over 27.5 although they allow LCV's on certain highways only.
     
  6. not4hire

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    I thought you were right too. Heck, when you look up the Act itself (http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/Regs/2002_315.pdf) it still says 25 metres.

    Part 1
    Commercial Vehicle Dimensions
    Maximum dimensions

    4 Subject to section 62 of the Act, no person shall

    (k) operate a B-train on a highway when

    (ii) the overall length of the B-train, including any load, exceeds 25 metres​
     
  7. rank

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    More than $350 in QC after they get done piling in the extra fees. Mine was ~$450 IIRC. This was ~5 yrs ago give or take.
     
  8. rank

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    I think I've read all the legal challenges to the Ontario speed limiter law and only one that I know of was successful. They all won initially but lost on appeal except for this one that ironically came down to a technicality.

    Don's Trucking was charged with "not having a working speed limiter" but the judge said the company was improperly charged becasue it had a working limiter but it wasn't set LOL.

    Gene Michaud argued that it violated his safety and therefore his constitutional rights. He won but died before the appeal. They proceeded anyway and IMO the arguments were solid but the appeal judge was ignorant and really needs to ride in a truck.

    Lee Ingratta argued that the DOT could wreck his truck (like you said) and he won but lost on appeal. Not sure if that won is finished yet or not. Mr. Ingratta might like to hear from you.
     
  9. 2Girls_1Truck

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    A note on speed limiter laws in Ontario:

    A court decision in 2012 found the law unconstitutional. As is generally the practice in countries that follow common law, there was a hiatus in enforcing this now unconstitutional law, rather than clog h courts with cases that would be dismissed outright. The government appealed the ruling and won, reinstating the law. Enforcement of the law has ensued.

    Regarding the $250 fine, bear in mind that is the MINIMUM fine for a first time offence and that the MTO recently imposed a >$10,000 fine for a repeat offender and it was upheld in court upon appeal.

    It does not pay to be a scofflaw in Ontario, and if the sped limiter offends your basic moral principles or freedom of conscience it would be best to avoid/emigrate from Ontario and set up a personal trade embargo.
     
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  11. Prairie Boy

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    I'm looking at buying 10 sets of Super "B"s as we speak. Alberta has not legislated it yet but you can get a permit for 27.5M until they do. The lead would be 32 feet, 3 feet between lead and pup and the pup will be 30 feet and with that configuration I can also pull it with a tri-drive and stay within 27.5



    Manac and BWS Trailers are both preparing quotations that I should have by late Monday.
     
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