Question about Canadian HOS

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I have a question which is to my understanding easy but explaining Dispatch could be a whole different story. Here it goes I went to Lexington Ky, reached at Pilot on xit 129 at 4.25am and on EBOR showed sleeper at 4.30am woke up at 12.30pm accidently hit log out on EBOR now log is showing off duty from 12.30 but after exactly 10.00hrs including 2 hrs of off duty and 8hrs in sleeper logged back in did my .15 min PTI and EBOR showed me 11.00hrs available to drive fine till here. Then I crosssed the border and entered Canada and changed the region after driving 6 hrs in USA and my Available hrs were 2 instead of 7 hrs by adding 2 hrs for Canadian 13 hrs Driving rule. I called Dispatch and was told since I took 8 hrs in Sleeper and 2 in off its not calculating the total 10hrs sleeper or off they told me that it should be full 10 hrs in sleeper or off. Now here is the question hopening someone can answer isn't off or sleeper the same for reset.

 

They have an improper HOS setup in their system somewhere. It sounds like they the system is not accounting for the split properly.

 

Glad I found this thread, I've done a search a couple of times and can't seem to find much info on rules and regs in Canada. I even went to the Canadian govt. web and couldn't make much out of that.
I'm looking for HOS info and also Equipment regs.
I run local in the Detroit area (new job ) in a day cab. The company I work for only has one other driver with an Enhanced CDL, so they said I might have to go to Canada from time to time. I've never done a border crossing in a truck and I've asked a couple of people with the company I work for and they don't seem to know much. I'll give an example of why I'm asking.
I heard that the other driver that is qualified to go to Canada got turned around the other day. I guess he got stopped and they inspected his truck. They discovered he had a cracked spring and had his truck towed back to the border and he received a $ 500.00 fine which the company is making him pay out of his own pocket.
In the U.S. we are allowed to have damage of up to 25% on the springs. So if the truck has four springs one could be cracked and still be OK here. But I guess Canada doesn't allow any damage to the springs.
So when he did his pre trip here he was OK, but he wasn't aware of the Canadian rules. That got me to wondering, what are the differences between American and Canadian rules and regs.
If anyone could point me in the right direction I would surely appreciate it.
By the way since I don't have to log here in the U.S. because I fall under the 100 air mile rule here. Will I have to log if I go to Canada ?

 

Yes you need to log and carry the last 14 days also. Even though you are within the 100 km radius the Canadian log requirements are such that someone in the office must keep a detailed note about your activity (log) so it's easier for you to do it.

 

10 seconds on Google.... he he he

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/safedrivers-commercialdrivers-hoursofservice-index-110.htm

 

Thanks, I've been to that site and tried the search feature. Typed in Border Crossing Requirements and nothing comes up. Maybe it's me but I can't find anything on that site.

 

Border crossing info is the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA). Google search them and it should as well be a 'gc.ca' site.

 

I'm not familiar with the eobr or what information it gives you but from what you have posted it looks like it's telling you what is available in the day as opposed to the work shift.

8 hours in the sleeper resets your work shift. You also have to have another two hours off during the day. You had both. Key word though is day as in one 24 hour period which likely starts at midnight. Even though you had a full 10 hours off the 4.5 hours you drove between midnight and 4:30 AM are part of the 'day'.

Actually the numbers don't seem to quite add up but I'm guessing that's because I don't have all the information for the 'day'. Nonetheless, say you drove from midnight until 4:30 AM and then took 10 hours off. It's now 2:30 pm and you have a full work shift available. However, you can still only show 13 hours driving in a single 'day' so you would have 8.5 driving hours available before midnight but up to 13 hours available within the work shift which would end at 6:30 AM the next day. So I'm guessing that once midnight arrived that missing driving time would have appeared.

I'm not sure if I explained that very well but the day concept is one of the big differences between the U.S. and Canadian HOS. That's also where the off duty exception comes in but that's a whole other story.

I haven't experienced electronic logs yet but have wondered how it deals with that. I figured it would let you know somehow what was available in both the day and the work shift one way or another.

 

Thanks TinyTIM,
I will explain little better actully I went off duty at 12.30pm and then logged back again at 10.30pm and did my .15 min PTI and started driving drove untill 4.30am and then went to sleeper and woke up at 12.30pm in the afternoon and accidently hit log out and was logged out for 2 hrs and in total 10.00 hrs. I guess you might be right that its counting 24hr period but isn't it is wrong though as long as you are in your 70 hrs you shuld get full 13 hrs after your 10hr reset I might be wrong this is how I use to do when I was on paper log.

Thanks