WHY DO the HAMS always take over cb posts ?

[Passin Thru]

Oh Gosh, I forgot. I hate the CBers who flaunt 750 and more watts and then threaten me on their radios. The reason we dont want you on 10M is because it is downlink for satelites, and CB radios are not subject to as tight a frequency standard and bleed all over causing interference on our frequencies whic are used by a lot of Technicians. I am not ranting against CB, I have a perfectly legal Cobra 25 LTD. I drive truck and put up with drivers like Preacher Man b/n Hagerstown MD and Berryville VA and a dump driver from Fairfax who harrasses people about 6 hrs a day. Someday, Ill pull up next to Preacher Man and if he bleeds on my 2M I'm going to get him stopped the way the FCC did in CA. $27,000 for interference. Mark my word, FCC is getting better at detecting Amps and ask any Fedex driver about amps and what happened in that company. KI$BDS

[GonzoLonnzo]

Originally Posted by Passin Thru

The reason we dont want you on 10M is because it is downlink for satelites, and ask any Fedex driver about amps and what happened in that company. KI$BDS

I thought CB was 11 meter, not 10...? Are they so close together
that CBers amps bleed onto 10 meter from CB channels? I'm not trying to be
flippant I really am asking.

And what happened at FedEx?

[Avenger29]

I thought CB was 11 meter, not 10...? Are they so close together
that CBers amps bleed onto 10 meter from CB channels? I'm not trying to be
flippant I really am asking.

And what happened at FedEx?

From what I understand is that CB radios can be converted into 10 meter radios easily. And using junk equipment and such can give big bleedover into the 10 meter bands and intefer with ham radio operators.

I don't know hardly anything about 10 meter operation, so don't hold me to it.

And I don't know what happened at FedEx, but I would like to know...

[Gadfly]

Originally Posted by GonzoLonnzo

I thought CB was 11 meter, not 10...? Are they so close together
that CBers amps bleed onto 10 meter from CB channels? I'm not trying to be
flippant I really am asking.

And what happened at FedEx?

Yes, the trashy CB amps DO bleed onto the 10 Meter band (along with other adjacent frequencies that are assigned to other users. Additionally,
drivers, using the ILLEGAL and so-called "10 Meter 'amateur' radios, operate ON the 10 Meter band in violation of FCC regulations. This (as well as the bleeding amps since ANY amplifier is ILLEGAL to use on CB) can cause fines of THOUSANDS of dollars.

FedEX, along with UPS, Superior Carriers, Waggoners, Knight, Estes and a lot of others, was warned to STOP their drivers from operating on the 10 Meter band after complaints from licensed amateur radio operators who are permitted to operate on 10 Meters. It was the amateur operators who actually "fingered' the drivers by surrepticiously following FedEx (and a lot of others) to document the fact that drivers were operating on 28 MHZ (10 Meters). The FCC Special Counsel for Amateur Enforcement, also a licensed amateur operator, then warned these companies like FedEx to STOP operating outside the 40 CB channels and REMOVE the illegal "10 Meter" radios.

The bottom line is, CB radio operators may use FCC-approved, 40 channel, 4 watt radios with NO modifications. Drivers should READ Part 95 of FCC Rules to learn what they may or may not do. Contrary to CB myth and legend passed on from one driver to another, FCC DOES go after violators and it can cost $10,000 PER violation! Operating ON the 10 Meter band OR causing interference to nearby frequencies can cause a driver to get one of those fines. I'd be careful!


Gadfly

[thetez]

Originally Posted by Gadfly

drivers, using the ILLEGAL and so-called "10 Meter 'amateur' radios, operate ON the 10 Meter band in violation of FCC regulations.

i know its not legal to use a 10 meter radio, with out a licence. and i dont, i have a fcc approved galaxy dx 949 a legit cb radio... or it was....

anyway im just asking this for knowledge sake. if you select to use the citizens band arnt you operating on 11m and not 10?

so if lets say i had a 10 meter radio, and i spoke on AM on the Citizens Band wouldn't that be the same as me usung a standard cb? and not be likely to get me into any trouble ... until i touch some knobs.

[kd5drx]

Ok if you have a stock CB radio that is not butchered by some CB doctor you are in no worry of ever getting in trouble. But you take a 10 meter junk they sell as a HAM radio and convert it and then add a unfiltered splatter box amp behind that and start transmitting even in the 27 Mhz band IE 11 Meters CB i have had drivers get close to me with me on 14 mhz and had them bleed that far away. Its the fact that most of this Junk is not filtered and is over modulated to the point of stupidity that causes the trouble. All the Ham radios are held to a requirement that the the signal can be no wider than 3 KC's either side of the center transmit freq. So we can stack about 20 conversations in a narrow band width and make good use of the limited freq we have to operate on.So yes we get very grumpy when the Junk starts interfering with the high dollar equipment with high quality filters and such that we are forced to by to stay legal. I can and do run 1500 watts allot of the time and never interfere with even my own TV because we keep it clean not over driven and splattering every where.

[Gadfly]

Originally Posted by thetez

i know its not legal to use a 10 meter radio, with out a licence. and i dont, i have a fcc approved galaxy dx 949 a legit cb radio... or it was....

anyway im just asking this for knowledge sake. if you select to use the citizens band arnt you operating on 11m and not 10?

so if lets say i had a 10 meter radio, and i spoke on AM on the Citizens Band wouldn't that be the same as me usung a standard cb? and not be likely to get me into any trouble ... until i touch some knobs.

As was previously stated, A SO-CALLED "10 METER" RADIO IS ILLEGAL TO USE PERIOD ON THE CITIZENS BAND. If it has "bands" of 'channels', FCC has already tested these alleged "10 Meter" radios and found that they "are NOT certifiable, and WILL NOT be approved on Citizens Band". Your Galaxy 949 is certified and has a sticker on the back so stating. NONE of the radios with the chrome faces, rebel flags and "bands" of channels are legal to include most models of Galaxy (except for the 900 series), Connex, SuperStar, Cobra 150 and 200, et al, are against the law.

Gadfly

[drfuller18]

There are alot of hams down here..Its all cool to me, as I am one myself. And see nothing wrong with 11Ms like some of our comrads do on QRZ.COM Reading these post I see alot of folks that know alot about Cb and some that are vague on the subject..From what Ive seen with the hams that have posted, they are pretty accurate on what they are saying and its good advise..I dont like folks working on 10M if your not lic..It can cost you dearly if caught..I believe theyd push that law to inforce alot quicker than hooking an amp on 11Ms...Word of advise like youve probably already read...DONT DO IT!! As far as all the other outlaw stuff that happens here on 11Ms, Its been going on for over 25 years that I can recall. You use your better judgement. You get caught, its your #####..The FCC I really dont believe pushes anything unless theirs serious ligitimate complaints..You may get away with it. Or one day you may get caught..But if your not lic.ed, stay away from the Ham bands..That will deffinately draw alot of HEAT!

[drfuller18]

Originally Posted by Gadfly

Mr Gordy, her husband, would probably object to you being in her "MY CIRCLE" LMAO!


BTW, you are quite mistaken in the price of equipment. There's another difference in many CB and the hams. More hams MAKE their own antennas than CBers do. Two meter J-pole= $15-$25. 2M beam often made of wire and PVC= $20. Wire dipole to cover 1.8 MHZ to 30 MHZ...........oh, let me see...........maybe $40 and most of that is for the coax or open wire feeders/ladderline! That is part of the attraction: there's an education to be had in ham radio we can't get down at Joe's Truck Stop and CB Emporium. CB is a consumer appliance; Amateur radio is an educational hobby!!!

So yer trying to tell me that that super-duper, whack-quacked, beeped and squeaked, over modulated "BIG RADIO" with them "extree" illegal channels and costs $475 is a BETTER value than the multi-band Amateur set that costs $1275? Hmm, let's see.

CB set= ONE legal band with 4 watts with which one has to "cheat"
to achieve the same result.

Ham multi-band set:

One radio with EIGHT "bands" of frequencies.
A general coverage HF receiver for 500KHZ thru 30 MHZ.
A 50 MHZ (6 Meters) transceiver.
A General VHF receiver for police, fire, and aviation
A UHF transceiver
A 450 MHZ receiver for police and public safety
A Scanner
And it will be WAY better built than any chrome-faced CB with noise toys and "echo" ever thought to be!!

Now, let's divide $1275 by 6= $212.50 PER unit!

Now let's assume Mr CB op is a real enthusiast-considers himself to be really into his "hobby".

So let's take that BIG radio he bought for $475.
He likes to listen to other HF shortwave stuff (many do!) so he goes looking for a nice General Coverage receiver new. Um, $600 more or less for a Sony or Icom.
even used, he's looking at $200.00
Next, he buys a scanner to listen to public safety, etc. $139.00 to $319.
No CBer is without his amp, right? $300 for "nice" one. The ham can work the world with 10 watts: many of them work QRP as a hobby in itself!

Add them up! He will have spent $1200 to $1500! What's the difference? Lets add up the 4-5 pieces the CBer bought for HIS shack.
Comes out to about $300 each! Which is the better bargain? LOL!

Of course, if he buys used, certainly it's going to be less. Same with ham.
I saw a really nice all-band Atlas HF transceiver at a hamfest last weekend for $350, but again it covers 8+ bands as opposed to a CB "export" radio with it's "bands" of illegal channels! It's apples to apples, oranges to oranges. Amateur is NO more expensive than CB really! OH! the Atlas 350 was a 300 watt input radio with about 180 out on average!

Amateur is no more expensive than CB---and WORKS a whole lot better!

Used ham radios that cover EIGHT HF bands can be had for as little as $275!!!!!!!! New ones for $700 or so (Icom 718= great entry HF radio that I would not hesitate to buy and use).

So the CB myth about cost is just that---a myth!! There's little difference in cost. And if a ham applies what he learns from the hobby, he can make antennas for pennies on the dollar with which to WORK the entire world with ease!


Gadfly

I agree..Ive got 7 antennas.. Ive made 6 out of the seven and talk all over the world..There is a big difference in Cb and Ham.. But my father started out in 11M and could do about anything any Extra class ham could do yrs and yrs before he became a ham..But he fell in it back in the late 50s..Cb at that time had alot of characteristics that ham still is today..I think its really just up to the individual, no matter what side of the fence your on as to what you know and what you want to know..

[drfuller18]

Originally Posted by Gadfly

This is a famous and erroneous myth that is often trotted out in the CB world. In 1959, there were about 600,000 hams. In 2008, the population has certainly grown and the ham population is....................................




around 600,000
Gadfly

In 1959 there was approx.160,000 hams...Today theres approx. 675,000......