10 meter radio or cb?

Morning Rat ......

The problem is not that they are ILLEGAL as CB radios it is the uses they are being used for. IF they could not go on the HAM bands once converted I think the FCC would do nothing at all.

Stay on CB stay under the FCC radar .....

 

Good catch. I never notice that stuff, just saw the thread at the top of the page and started reading it. Need to start paying attention and quit wasting my time. I'm sure the OP will never benefit from my great wisdom on his topic!!

 

What about the fact that they do more then 4 watts out of the box. I thought that was illegal for CB use.

As far as 10 meter use with these radios. Well, many times I have rotated that band selector on my connex 4300HP and my connex 4600 turbo. Not a peep on any of these "channels".

Hams have so many other frequencies to do what they want to do on. WAY more then CB. Why should hams worry so much about 10 meter? Sure there may be some parts of 10 meter that are being used by military or whatever but not the whole band.

Oh and you know all too well that for the most part the FCC could give a rats behind about 10 meter. If they did then there would be litterally thousands of fines being handed out each year to truckers and the like that own these radios and use some of the quiet channels on them.

In my point of view then FCC should look at 10 meter the same way as 11 meter. There is no way of possibly enforcing it so why even bother.

Think of it like traffic around a huge city. Speedlimits are posted but how many are actually following them? Heck the last time I rolled through Chicago the average speed was 15 over the limit. Law enforcment was doing nothing. I think I seen 6 patrol cars and they just rolled along with traffic doing nothing.

 

It is illegal to use anything over 4 watts on the citizens band. The radios that come out of the box with more than 4 watts of power aren't even FCC certified U.S. radios, they're exports. They're designed to skirt around the FCC's rules by calling them a 10 meter radio and being set up to run on the 10 meter band, albeit most of them lacking the items a true 10 meter radio has.

The so-called 10 meter radios that look like CB's must be converted to work on the 11 meter CB. The idea behind the exports is to offer what some truck drivers want: echo, roger beep and more than 4 watts of power, right out of the box.

A true CB is certified by the FCC as to meeting their standards.

Just because the band might sound quiet doesn't mean it's not being used.

Because the 10 meter band was set aside by the FCC for amateur radio use. If the FCC decides to relocate it for CB use, then that's their call. But regardless of how many frequencies are set aside for amateur radio use, it's still for amateur radio use only. If I don't see you sitting in your truck using your radio, do I have the right to break in and steal it?

The FCC doesn't "monitor" the 10 meter band for illegal use, unless they get a complaint from a ham about an intruder. And then does the FCC take action. And for what it's worth, yes the FCC does find intruders and send them warning letters followed by fines if their refraining of unauthorized frequency use is not complied with.

 

NOPE the FCC CANNOT change 10 meters over to ANY use other than HAM.
WELL ..... some say they did 11 it to 11 why not 10 ? 11 meters was not HAM only it was land mobile and industral too SO to remove the HAMS was something the FCC HAD a right to do.

WORLD WIDE under the ITU 10 meters is a HAM band ... Now the FCC CAN change what kind of license you need maybe make it a 10 question test like some kind of learners permit how ever it would still be a HAM license .....

 

There are more than enough channels below 10 meters, 28.000, that nobody who isn't licensed to be in 10 meters has plenty of other options. I've run all kinds of power in both mobile and base stations, and used many of the channels available on the "export" radios, but have never keyed up in the ham bands, nor ever felt the need to. I do know one person, who is no longer in my area or has a base station, who used to go up into the ham bands all the time just to tick of the local hammers. He was usually drunk when he did it and was a terror on the CB band as well. In all the years I've been doing this, he is the only one I know of that got up into the ham bands on his "export" radio. I have heard of some drivers (I didn't know them) going up into the 28.000 band to shoot the breeze, I think mostly out of ignorance more than anything else.

 

"As far as 10 meter use with these radios. Well, many times I have rotated that band selector on my connex 4300HP and my connex 4600 turbo. Not a peep on any of these "channels".

Hams have so many other frequencies to do what they want to do on. WAY more then CB. Why should hams worry so much about 10 meter? Sure there may be some parts of 10 meter that are being used by military or whatever but not the whole band.

Rat the radios that you named are AM/FM and 10 meters is done on SSB. Also 10 meters RULES are really made by the ITU. Not the FCC.

Why not just pass the Ham test? Then you can legally use the Ham bands. It's only 35 questions for the Technician, and General class. 50 questions for the Extra.

 

Still won't beable to legally own and operate my 4600 turbo.

Why are these radios are leagal in other countries and not the US? Are they still not as easily covertable in other countries as they are here in the US? Would that not mean that they would beable to pull double duty in other coutries along with being able to put out more then 4 watts on 11 meter in other countries. Or don't the same rules apply in other countries as they do in the US.

 

Because each country makes its own rules, sometimes according to ITU treaties, sometimes not. The US generally adheres to International Telecomunications Union treaties. ITU meets every few years to make/modify treaties with regard to radio.

Now, the REASON you DON'T necessarily HEAR talking in the sense CBers are accustomed is because communications is not always done in a voice mode! There are OTHER ways to communicate besides AM or SSB voice. Let's say you flip your "band" switch up a couple of notches---and this has been explained over and over-----------you may hear a "beep-beep-beep, brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt" kind of sound. The way your AM CB interprets that sound is simply static. Because you aren't hearing someone TALKING in the way you are used to, YOU think, "Oh, that's just noise so I can use this "channel". But it is not true! You are causing interference to other services who are trying to use the frequency they have been authorized. The lower part of 10 Meters is reserved for DIGITAL types of communications: Morse Code, Packet, Pactor, RTTY, and voice is not permitted there---even by the hams. They are to use the above modes. And, BTW, a determined ham can really mess up a CBer who is trying to "use this here channel" with a run of RTTY or Pactor, so much so that he will have to move back where he belongs! And the hams will, at times, deliberate jam CBers who operate in 10 Meters with high-powered digital signals. The CBers, OTH, don't KNOW what that "racket" is: to them, it's just.....some kind of a racket that prevents them from talking!

If your bootleg "CB" radio with "them channels", will go on up beyond 28.300 MHZ, you will hear Single Sideband. AM is not permitted below 29 megs (well, you could, but the gentlemens' agreement forbids it), so your AM "10 Meter" radio is useless---even for amateur use.

Lastly, they are STILL illegal to be USED on CB because they are not certified for 11M use, but can be used by hams ON the 10 Meter band with the proper license and mode.

GF

 

The radios that are labeled Export radios are NOT LEGAL IN OTHER COUNTRIES. It's not to be sold here. So they are labeled NOT TO BE SOLD IN THE US. This way if they are found in a warehouse the FCC is told that they are being shipped out of country. If you look you will not any Export being Legal in any Nation. You still won't be able to use that radio Legally anywhere in the world. 10 meters USB. And that radio will not cover 29 Mhz.