CRST Malone L/P from the beginning

Discussion in 'CRST' started by gravdigr, Jul 23, 2012.

  1. popcorn169

    popcorn169 Road Train Member

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    Man it seems that someone is always trying to put down someone elses dreams and success........ I do not know if they are jealous or not but always someone.......
     
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  3. gravdigr

    gravdigr Road Train Member

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    Thousands? Really? I had no idea. Who are these thousands? Were they sheep going in unprepared? Did they have a business plan or were they company drivers expecting to go in and have their hand held the whole time? Did they drive economically or did they turn and burn running 68mph everywhere spending thousands extra in fuel hitting every turnpike they could find because it was faster? Did they just take 10 hour breaks or sit in the truck stop all day BSing or feeding quarters in a machine? Did they actually look for loads and learn to stay in the freight lanes or did they sit around waiting for someone to call them with a load? Did they take care of their equipment or beat the wee out of it and spend an inordinate amount of time in the shop? Did they analyze the loads they got and turn down bad paying loads or did they not know their cost of operation and take anything that was given to them under the false assumption that if the wheels are turning I am earning?

    I could go on and on with the myriad number of ways someone could fail doing a LP, or just being an o/o in general...my question is this, do you think those folks would do any better if they had a bank payment to pay on a financed truck and trailer? Maybe they were just not cut out to be a business owner and should remain an employee letting someone else handle the business side of things. The problem with a LP is they will let any ###### try it regardless of wether they have the business sense to be a success or not. It is the american way. And unfortunately those people learned in the school of hard knocks what they can and cannot do.

    Oh, and see my sig if you have any doubts about me, I've been doing that for years.
     
  4. popcorn169

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  5. Ezrider_48501

    Ezrider_48501 Road Train Member

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    i will say i read over there lp plan and it looks ok to me. if i did not already own my own truck i would consider there plan. 1.5 years at a reasonable payment just make sure you put money away for that i think $4000 balloon payment at the end. they pick from the same loads at the same rates the guys that already own there trucks do so if any o/o can make it with them a lease purchase should be able to as well.
     
  6. gravdigr

    gravdigr Road Train Member

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    It's actually 3 years, at least for me. I'm paying $340/month for the truck april through oct and $140/month from nov through mar. All the deductions do not kick in at once. I'm running the truck for the first month with no payments, only half trailer payment the first week. My balloon will be $5k should I choose to buy the truck, and if needed they will finance that at $250/wk until it's paid off, about 5 months. Their maintenance plan is a little sketchy after the second year, it stops covering most of the mechanical stuff. That's why I am setting aside $.10/mile into my own bank account so when that happens I should have $15k-$20k saved for emergencies. But even then if you are not in defecit they will cover the cost of some repairs and deduct payments from your settlement. They have a lot of dedicated customers, alcoa being one of the largest, and if we aren't running they aren't making money.

    During my time at orientation I talked to probably a dozen LP drivers who are doing well. One guy is on his 3rd truck. When his lease runs out he just turns that truck in and leases a newer one.
     
  7. Clasix1055

    Clasix1055 Even when I'm wrong I'm right

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    I think ralph is a bit harsh, but I can tell you in some ways he is correct. Everybody approaches each situation in different ways and I think you have a solid plan and a good head on your shoulders, that is not going to be your problem. Your problem is going to be the coproate machine CRST. I listened during orientation about their l/p program and was asked to step outside and pratice for my securement test, that program is a joke, their maintenance plan is a joke, you pay for the maintenance plan but is at their discretion what gets fixed when and where, the amount of maintenance is based on miles ran joke. I have never seen a company that size basically shut down at 5 and off on weekends (the people that do work after hrs cant help you with anything). I think to be realistic you can expect to avg around $1.80 mile, yes they have dedicated customers but do the math when they will offer 2.15 to 2.30 mile before they take 25%. hope that you can fall into a good lane and keep busy. I also think that your area is not ideal dont be tempted to take freight to the east coas to run through the house because its nothing coming off but crap. Try to pick short loads run around try to set yourself up in a Pittsburgh to Cleveland, to Chicago type area. If you dont like your manager fire him/her they work for you not vice versa, be firm, and follow the rules, report your time, turn in your records ....etc. Remember the kool-aid taste really good right now but CRST is a billion dollar company and they could care less about you. Stick to your plan, worry about you, and you should make it. I am arrogant and not a go with the flow kind of guy so we didnt fit, it could have been my fault could have been on them, who knows. I was not a l/p so I had options and got disgruntled in orientation so it was kind of down hill from the beginning. Learn what you can do your best save some money and if you have to roll out put yourself in position to buy your own.

    This is not meant to bash that company or the op. I enjoy reading his experience I just want you to be careful.

    Good Luck
     
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  8. danmissouri

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    I don't get it....I paid $2,700 a month for 2- 5 year old Pete 379 ext hoods, for three years with no warranty. ( actually a real good deal ) They were low mileage ( high 200,000 miles ) I had 7 trucks at one time. I also had 3 engines go down in one year to the tune of $43,000. Who do you think had to pay for those? Not to mention the $4,000+ license plates, thanks to our fine governor now prisoner Rod Blagojevich (Illinois). ( $30,000 a year for plates and HVUT) So, if you're buying a truck, and not overpaying for it,( check comps. in Truck Paper) they throw in a warranty and full maintanance plan, plates are being deducted weekly( cheap), they make it very affordable for you. Downside is you don't get to pick your truck and the trailer rent seems pretty pricey to me. ( should also be a L/P) You have to pay for your securement equipment anyway, and their insurance rates are comparable to finding it on your own, so what's the big deal? So, the only gamble you're taking is freight availability, rates and are you willing to work. There's been some fairly knowledgable folks on here that answered the first two questions, only you can answer the third. Don't let them phase you Gravdigr, you know yourself better than anybody. By the way, they still have 06's and 07's on a 2 years deal (talked to them yesterday). She sent me a release form I have to sign and fax back, sounds like I could be about a week or two behind you. Send me a message with your name and truck number (I told her I'd get that for her) No promises, I've got a pretty good gig now, but not used to the corporate crap. I'm used to calling the shots.
     
  9. TennMan

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    How many O/O failed and are complaining. all situations are not the same for every driver. some can make the lease purchase work for them. I am contemplating doing the crst lease purchase, not because i can't buy a truck. my reason is with the economy and unknown election as well as uncertain tax rates there is no way i will go sign a 5 yr contract for a truck and then be tied to it if the economy tanks worse than already is. With a lease that is a walkaway then you as the business owner have the ability to get out with out ruining your life, now having said that i would never suggest someone do a lease and not have any money or other options. but there are owner operators who fail also. I would hope that a successful O/O could also be a successful lease purchase operator if needed. I understand the warnings that posters give but i don't understand the continued degrading of the op. i wish him and all others success, heck thats why were here to begin with is be successful not to degrade each other. Good Luck to all
     
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  10. gravdigr

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    Lol, I had to read this again as my real name is Ralph, then I remembered no one here knew that.

    I will agree the securement training is a bit of a joke. I got the cvsa securement book beforehand and studied it. Plus I looked at how flatbed loads are secured and tarped every time I saw one in a parking lot. Also flatbedders seem a breed all their own and most are more than happy to give tips and not talk down to you when you admit you are a newbie and ask how something is done when at the securement area of a shipper.

    Yeah my area really isn't good for frieght. It's about 100mi deadhead to the pittsburgh area. Luckily my household doesn't depend on my income, the missus makes more than enough to pay the bills and live comfortably. My income is basically spending money. This basically gives me the experience with little risk.
     
  11. brads6.9.

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    Ok I have been studying L/P vs O/O for about two years. If I buy a newer truck I will pay more than the L/P if I buy an older truck I may pay less but breakdowns and maintenance will be on me. So the CRST Malone L/P you pay the truck payment then .12 a mile maintenance with tires breakdowns and PM's all taken care of. You have a $5,000 ballon payment at the end of the lease. If you plug the numbers into the ooida L/P speadsheet your bottom line with everything runs about 1.10 -1.20 a mile. whatever is above that is profit. If you listen to the contractor conference calls that are held monthly you will get a indication that some of the L/P guys have no idea what is going on. The L/P also complain about minor maintenance issues I do understand they pay .12 cents a mile but a marker light out and you want to get routed to a terminal to get it fixed? I spoke to a recuiter last week and got approved so I will be in Rockport, In for orientation on the 20th of Aug. I live about 20 miles away and this area is great freight lane for flatbed. I hope they have some of the older trucks I would like the cheaper payment. I am kinda in the same situation as gravdigr I have a retirement check and my house is paid off so what $$ I make is to buy stuff. gravdigr I need you to Pm me your name and truck number I will turn it in for the referral.

    Thanks
     
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