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    jct wife you are right about the rip off report with cr england and the crap they pull with drivers would be good for people to check it out things people know but they dont found out even about the driver manager i had i would never figured out how people can be see heart less


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    Quote Originally Posted by lovesthedrive View Post
    ISNT with

    Get your facts straight please. I am not with. I am some one whom thinks that we are spending too much time slamming those that are succeeding and saying the ######.

    As to my previous post. Google search OOIDA - Legal Action Archive Does indeed say .... (article dated June 4, 2002)


    So I retract the above post doubting your veracity. Thankyou for the info.

    I dont see how this will affect anyone with a present fleece tho
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    Reading further the OOIDA site, The lawsuit is for truckers during the time of 1998-2002. CR has since changed "truth in disclosure".
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    http://www.ooida.com/legal_action/En...and_index.html
    I apologize I thought you drove for them. And you're welcome. Lovesthedrive my husband and I had made a call to OOIDA January of 2009, and the representative for them was the one that told my husband and I that C.R. England lost their $50 million dollar lawsuit to their drivers. He lost it this year. Lovesthedrive, I would love to see him burn to the ground. Someone said to me that they would love to start a anti C.R. England campaign. Trust me, if my hubby didn't work for JCT I would be one of the ones on the front line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highgear View Post
    I have too pretty much agree with you! Went to school in April 2008 got my cdl a through them, had already been in trucking 10 years before that, straight trucks, worked for Pitt-Ohio express for 7 years,did air freight for 3 years etc. Good to get my license through them, but they pretty muched sucked! Stayed a week on the road with them(trainer issues) Came home got local job right away..You get pulled in a lot at weigh stations, trainers try to play it off, but i already knew what the deal was, talked to other classmates after i left, some of them were on their 3rd trainer, and still getting paid training pay. And 1 of those court cases, they didnt lose but had to restructure their lease program and show the feds their new plan! The guys that were making decent money legally doing about 3500 miles, 1 post here says 4000 miles a week..Doesnt sound legal too me!
    Thank you Highgear. JCT would love someone with your experience. I have to agree with you, 4000 is not legal. JCT pretty much goes to the same customers as England, and we drive by most of the scales where they are constantly pulling England into the D.O.T. office. Like I posted, when a company like England gets audited by both the D.O.T. and the F.B.I. all on the same day, shucks something is seriously up with the log department. Highgear, I know first hand England has log burners out of the wazoo otherwise you don't make the money legally. Even the safety manager and his boss both were letting the drivers get away with it. They were just sitting in there cubicals looking important and that was it. This so called new plan like you said benefitted Mr. Dean himself not the drivers. England drivers today are still complaining they're not getting paid much. Heck, they don't even get fuel surcharge. The leasers get $0.90 c.p.m., that's it. And you had to make over $1,700.00 a week just so you could get something in your pocket. Totally pathetic. Did you see his trucks now? They're rags. Dented trailers, pathetic. Be safe out there please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diesel_dawg08 View Post
    jct wife you are right about the rip off report with cr england and the crap they pull with drivers would be good for people to check it out things people know but they dont found out even about the driver manager i had i would never figured out how people can be see heart less
    Diesel, I wish everyone knew about that rip off report about them and know what a low life scum of the earth he is. So many future heartaches it would save in the future not counting all the money those people would save. But you know Diesel, you will laugh at this. Like I told Highgear we travel pretty much to the same customers as England and my hubby and I were parked behind 2 England trucks. (How lucky is that)? Anyhoo, the front truck had a trainee and a trainer in it and the trainee was behind the wheel. We were in an alleyway so there was no way to semis could fit side side. My hubby goes up to the first truck and asks the driver to move up and park so the truck behind him could move and we could go to the dock. That idiot trainee looks at my hubby and says to him, why don't you just back your truck up and turn that b** around in the lot. Before my hubby was about to chew his head off, the trainer, jumps up out of his bunk and told the trainee to shut up and told my hubby give him a minute to put his shirt on and he will move the truck. Then he looked at the trainee and told him to shut up and never talk to a JCT driver like that again. The trainee looked at the trainer and said why should I take his crap. He said one that man asked nicely and two you ever talk to an O/O like that again don't come to me when your face hits the pavement. While hubby was talking with them, the second England truck I don't know what he was thinking doesn't bother looking out of his side mirrors, just starts backing straight up and dang near hits our truck. Saving grace my cat needed water because I looked up and saw that and laid on that air horn. Bottome line England is dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanTownTrucker View Post
    Been with England going on 4 years now and I never come out and say it when I am at a truck stop just to hear what other drivers have to say. Funny thing is the ones I talk to are the ones not making money. why is that I often ask myself....

    Let's break it down.

    1) I only hear the ones at the TRUCKSTOPS not making money

    2) Been LATE on loads multiple times

    3) DOT shutdowns (15 minutes in the morning for a pre trip?)

    4) Chargeable accidents (truck stop lots 95% of the time)

    5) Unwilling to take a small run or two (news flash. 600 miles is better than sitting)

    6) a week off every month (think about it)


    The above are the most common things I have heard from England drivers getting "screwed"

    The game out here is simple. DRIVE! spend less time in these truck stops and do what you are paid to do. In 4 years I have never seen a check under $800 (except for training) and yes, times get slow but if you are willing to take the short runs now and then I bet you are more likely to get the big run next time around.

    Granted. there's some garbage DMs but remember. they work for you!! If they aren't doing their job move on!!! Can't stress that enough!! Now granted a lot have no idea what they are getting into (especially the ones taking 3 year leases out of the gate) but we all learn!!!

    Oh and for the record. I have and always will be a solo driver. 4k miles a week average and I do it legal because I know better than to sit in a truck stop complaining


    "Truck driven isn't a job, It's a way of life"
    A Driver is a person not a machine and should not have to live in their truck for more than 3 weeks at a time to make a living, a person should be able to go home, do their paperwork, and maintenance on their truck, home and automobiles, then wind down, relax, and spend quality time with their family, I believe one week home after 3 weeks in the truck is not unreasonable for these duties! If you believe that a person should only have 2-3 days at home or less after 3 weeks out,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hungry Hippo View Post
    A Driver is a person not a machine and should not have to live in their truck for more than 3 weeks at a time to make a living, a person should be able to go home, do their paperwork, and maintenance on their truck, home and automobiles, then wind down, relax, and spend quality time with their family, I believe one week home after 3 weeks in the truck is not unreasonable for these duties! If you believe that a person should only have 2-3 days at home or less after 3 weeks out,
    Hungry Hippo I agree with you a 1000%. But thanks to this so called company, my hubby and I don't have a home to go to. But in 4 years we should get it back. Right now the motels aren't that bad! And I still have my hubby and my cat. Along with a decent company. God watches over us.

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    Mmmm 1 week off, what a blessing. When I worked for Western they had me out for 18 days, tried to get 2 days off, they ripped into me for being a slacker beyond the 34. Ugh, and they have the audacity to be able to take a weekend off and call me a slacker.

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    i know jct wife there is a lot of dunb people out there wish they were all smart and leavde england

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCTwife View Post
    First off I want to applaud the 3 I mentioned above. They hit the nail on the head. But one thing YOU forgot to mention the time C.R. England got audited by the D.O.T. and the F.B.I. all on the same day for burned logs. And that they are always getting pulled in to the D.O.T. at the weigh stations for one thing or another. Now BeanTown this is what I have to say about your "wonderful" C.R. England. The only "good thing" they gave my husband and I was the one year experience he needed to join John Christner Trucking, other than that C.R. England stinks big time. They caused us to lose our home because of their "such wonderful pay". We were scrounging change so my husband and I could eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Living off of cash advances so we could have those p.b.& j sandwiches. Six dang weeks no paychecks. We ran 130,000 miles for that ignoramus for the year and our net pay for the whole year was $12,000.00 dollars, yes that's right no typo there. I copied and pasted the actual pay stubs from the C.R. England website for proof. Why don't you go to Google and check out ripoff report and see how many pages of people who were in the same boat my husband and I were in. How Gene England himself kicked them people of his property and told them to find their own way home. Gee funny Beantown, you forgot to mention about good ol' Mr. England losing a $50 million dollar lawsuit to his leasers for shafting them. You don't believe me? Then make a call to OOIDA like I did and hear it from the horses mouth directly like I did. Oh and you so up to par with England, then why is Gene England driving a truck himself to try and saves his customers? I will tell you why. Because so many of his drivers have been late on loads it's pathetic. And you probably gave that yourself in one of your previous posts. For what England did to my husband and I, I would not care in the least if that company was to burn to the ground. That man is the low life scum and anything bad happens to him he truly deserves it after he ruined so many peoples lives getting them to believe his lies. You know BeanTown, you could sound like the son Gene England never had by the way your praising him. Gee Beantown, how come on your profile where it says "Trucker" you put "No Answer"? That must one your not actually a trucker even though you "so call" run for them, and 2 even though you think you're talking a good game, deep down you're actually embarrassed that you are driving for them and couldn't get no one better. And you brag about your itty bitty England truck. That's why our International Eagle blows right past the England trucks. So instead of talking how good of a driver you are, why don't learn how to run with the big dogs instead of sitting on the porch?

    JCTwife

    Ya know.. I could comment but it is below me. But I will comment on the lawsuit and the last few lines...

    It was all related to Escrow funds. meaning the Maint and fule surcharge accts. also it was leases between 98 and 02... check your facts. and perhaps you should've read the contract b4 you all signed

    Also, ummm yea... talking about how good of a driver I am? did you even read any of this? I claim to be adequate. I am far from cocky or complacent in my driving skills nor do I pretent to know everything. also it doesn't say how long I have drove because I never bothered to add it in my profile. much like my e-mail address... You know, the comment about "big dogs" sounds just like the good ol "super trucker" speed on by, grab that ticket and fuel up twice to my one.... remember why I am making money and you didn't.

    Figure it's 33,000lb of truck mt (on average of course this varies) really think it was meant to do a buck on the highway?

    That's about all of a responce this warrants

    goodluck with JCT and glad they are working for u.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hungry Hippo View Post
    A Driver is a person not a machine and should not have to live in their truck for more than 3 weeks at a time to make a living, a person should be able to go home, do their paperwork, and maintenance on their truck, home and automobiles, then wind down, relax, and spend quality time with their family, I believe one week home after 3 weeks in the truck is not unreasonable for these duties! If you believe that a person should only have 2-3 days at home or less after 3 weeks out,

    All about choice. And honestly I have always said it ain't for everyone... I never said it was unreasonable, just think it's hard to make a buisness prospor if the doors are closed all the time... Also I never really saw OTR as a family man job... if an ything dedicated or regional... but running all 48 you really expect to get home every 3 weeks?

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    Smile FYI Grandma Debi went back on the CR England truck today

    Quote Originally Posted by lovesthedrive View Post
    Mmmm 1 week off, what a blessing. When I worked for Western they had me out for 18 days, tried to get 2 days off, they ripped into me for being a slacker beyond the 34. Ugh, and they have the audacity to be able to take a weekend off and call me a slacker.
    Just FYI GRandma Debi took one month off December (planned) and another month off February (got mad at virgil) and met him in WY this morning and is back in the truck on the road again and FYI the truck is white because virgil refused to lease the pink one she really wanted!

    By the way Grandma Debi still likes having adventures in the CR England truck!

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    I have no experience and am planning to start school at the CR England Salt Lake City location on Monday the 9th. Been doing some research about going as L/O vs Company driver and to be honest, I'm now getting scared to even go at all. It sounds as if there is nothing but negative feedback. I just wanna work hard and get paid.

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