Hotshot Basics (or Hotshot for Dummies)

Discussion in 'Expediter and Hot Shot Trucking Forum' started by NCC-1701, Aug 14, 2013.

  1. NCC-1701

    NCC-1701 Bobtail Member

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    Hello all,

    I'm looking for helpful, knowledgeable responses from those who have been there. Your input is greatly appreciated.

    I have a totally unrelated business in the financial industry that is in a severe down turn due to the economy, cost cutting, etc. I'm looking to supplement that and I thought I have the truck and trailer anyway so why not? I've done some preliminary research but what I can't get (without asking), is a feel for the Hotshot business. I intend to drive myself, no employee issues. A wife and if needed others to do most of my regular business (It's all telephone and Internet related which if needed, I can help out with while I'm on the road). My wife can also help out with scheduling loads and doing what is needed in the office to support the Hotshot business.

    I already know it's a hard life. It's not a part time gig. I intend to do this in a ligament, businesslike manner, (yahoos and losers will never make any money at any business).

    Equipment: GMC 2500HD, 30ft flatbed (gooseneck) w/ dual tandem axels.
    Pros: I already own them. One post I read somewhere said the guy wished he would have know that he could make as much money with a 14ft FB truck as he did with hauling around a trailer.
    Cons: Too small. I'll miss having the option of getting the bigger loads.

    My intention is to go whenever and where ever the $/mile make sense, minimize the deadheads and get home when I get there. I have, or will have, a CDL, and liability and cargo insurance.

    I guess some of my questions are:

    How steep is the learning curve? Can I start this from scratch and get up to speed and making money in a month or two (without any experience in the trucking industry)?

    Does it make sense to have my own authority? I'm really an independent kinda guy. It's not that I have trouble answering to someone, I just like being in control of my own destiny and I'm willing to take the risks if they make sense.

    The bottom line here for me is if I can't clear 50k a year (Net after ins., fees and taxes, fuel, and deprecation) it's not worth the time. 75k would be so much better. My biggest fear is that I wind up with a broken down truck and nothing to show for it.

    Most importantly, is there a contact directory with places to get loads? I've seen a few on line, is there a comprehensive list somewhere? Are they all subscription services? Any recommendations on the better ones?

    And the most important issue, where does the money come from and what are the mechanics of the transactions. Half up front rest on delivery, the full amount days or weeks after delivery? Is it all COD, checks, wire transfers, ... How trustworthy are these people?

    I guess I'm looking for your thoughts if you do Hotshot work and you had to do it all over again, how would YOU go about it. If you think I have missed something, please let me know.

    Thanks for your input,
    Kevin
     
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  3. G/MAN

    G/MAN Road Train Member

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    I have a friend who has been doing hotshots for a number of years. He has always pulled cars with either a step deck or wedge trailer. He does well most of the time. I can see a disadvantage that you may have with your equipment. Most who do hotshots pull with a 1 ton dually and at least a 48' trailer. Some pull a 53'. You will miss some loads that are 40'. Of course, it mostly depends on how you structure your business.

    You will want to subscribe to some load boards. That is how most people get started who don't have any business contacts. There are several load boards and the cost about $35/month on average. If you want to be in trucking you will need to either get your own authority or lease to a carrier who does have authority. Hot Shot Express is one that I am familiar. They are part of Jones Motor. Another is Bennett out of McDonough, GA. Both companies have hotshot divisions. Then there are the expeditor carriers. Not all expeditors have flatbed freight.

    You should allow at least 6 months to get a feel of the business. Without some trucking experience you are facing a longer learning curve. You didn't mention your location, but if you live near any of the oil fields you may check with them about running their freight.

    My friend who does hot shots only deals with COD loads. Some bill shippers and/or brokers. Those who do bill may factor their receivables. Many brokers offer a quick pay option for a discount on the freight bills. If you choose to bill direct and not pay the discount, you can expect most to pay in 30-45 days from when they receive your invoice and proof of delivery. Never trust anyone in this business. If you plan on extending credit you should take the time to check their credit. If not, you are taking a very high risk. When you lease to a carrier they assume the risk of being paid. If you lease to a carrier, you should expect to be paid within a few days to a week from the time you send in your bills.

    One problem you may have with leasing on to a carrier is your lack of experience. Most will want owner operators to have a certain amount of experience. It will be up to you to sell your abilities. Our biggest concern with any driver is whether we can cover them under our insurance. Some insurance companies require as much as 2-3 years experience. It is like which comes first, the chicken or the egg.
     
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  4. kaje

    kaje Bobtail Member

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    I pulled a 32' dovetail with a dodge dually for18 months as a company driver from may 2011 to the begining of 2013 and if your willing to stay away from home you can stay pretty busy pulling for the oilfields in Texas and Oklahoma.In Nebraska there is a place that manufactures oilfield pipe that is thin wall and pretty light that keeps a lot of goosenecks busy I think the town is York?Not positive been a little while since I've been west!? Sorry can't answer a lot more but I also have had thoughts of getting a dually and gooseneck and doing the same thing?Good luck!!
     
  5. NCC-1701

    NCC-1701 Bobtail Member

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    Thanks G/Man, a great response, and kaje as well. Thank you both for the time.

    I get the 30+ days payment or a discount (5-10%) in 10 days. That's pretty standard.

    I have an office, home and a lot of land in SW TX on the Rio Grande, (Presidio - 79845 - the only official entry point into the U.S. between Del Rio (on the other side of the Big Bend) and El Paso), and also a home in SE LA, (Ponchatoula - 70454), so it sounds like the oil field business would be the first thing to shoot for.

    Re: the insurance. I was able to get a quote on $1mil liability but only $250k cargo. I asked for $500k cargo but that particular company doesn't write anything higher. Any thoughts on whether or not that's enough?

    So I get the feeling I should subscribe to one or more of these Web sites to look for loads, hopefully get a few and then develop the contacts from there. Sounds like a plan.

    Thank you both again for the help,
    Kevin
     
  6. old time

    old time Medium Load Member

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    250K cargo is usually plenty
     
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  7. bigcountry1967

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    100k is the standard in cargo, but remember, that if your hauling a load that is above and beyond in value. You will be liable for the whole cost of replacing. You should have an agent you can call to insert a temp. Increase in coverage when this occurs. It doesnt cost anything extra, but it cyb. In case the dreaded occurs. Doing the hotshot is a great way to start out. The costs incurred thru the fees and taxes are much less. Also, your fuel mileage will be more profitable. I have a dodge 3500 dually with a 40k weight max irp. Even though i will never get close to the 40k in load, it covers my booty when i'm flirting with 36k. This is the recommended weight for my set up, but it gives me piece of mind. Big country
     
  8. o/otony

    o/otony Light Load Member

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    kevin, i live in covington LA, i have a friend that owes an acme terminal he can get you started.
     
  9. G/MAN

    G/MAN Road Train Member

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    Most brokers and shippers only require $100,000 cargo insurance. I would not spend the extra money on insurance unless you know for sure that you will need it. There is always "gap" insurance for specific loads. I doubt that you would ever need more than $100,000 unless you pull cars and then you might need as much as $150,000. Otherwise, I don't think it is worth the added expense.
     
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  10. NCC-1701

    NCC-1701 Bobtail Member

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    Thanks again for all the input. The Ins. Co. originally quoted 100K and I asked them to go up to 250K. Based on the comments here I'll stick with the 100K.

    Tony, it'll be a few more weeks, maybe as long as a month until this is up and running. If you wouldn't mind, you could call me, text, or email, so I'll have your info and can get in touch with you when I'm ready to go. 432.295.1306 or kevin.s@nstaylor.com.

    Thanks,
    K.
     
  11. Pilgrim007

    Pilgrim007 Light Load Member

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    You must meet the same requirements as a CDL driver, DOT and MC, Dot Physical, Log Books fuel permits etc if your over 10000lbs or and driving Interstate. Also a 2500 = 3/4 ton will not be reliable for the weights you'll be require to pull. Which also means longevity is out of the question.
    Motor Carriers Authority also state you require Insurance in the amount of $750 000. So unless things have changed drastically since May, you have to face reality and bite the bullet.

    One of the biggest problems with hopeful Hot Shots is they get the wrong idea from watching a stupid unrealistic TV show.................
     
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