Bit of Confusion...About tags or no tags

Discussion in 'Expediter and Hot Shot Trucking Forum' started by OnlyTheFacts, Nov 26, 2013.

  1. OnlyTheFacts

    OnlyTheFacts Bobtail Member

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    Why in the world when I call Texas DOT commercial Regional office Texas office in Austin do they say "no you don't need numbers on the truck IF your UNDER 26,000 lbs and stay within TEXAS"

    Now ive inquired in three places total and theh all say the same thing.

    I transport hotshot loads with mainly just the flatbed on my pickup. I've used a trailer 3 times total this year. Most loads are within 150-200 miles of my home and I'm WELL under 26,000 lbs.

    I do see on the FEDERAL site that Texas in highlighted in green indicating I do in fact need number but my STATE OFFICES seem to think I do not.

    I'm one of those o/o who did have enough of all the BS with FMCSA weigh stations etc and sold my rig and my car hauler. Having to put up with all that is not worth it to me anymore.

    What I'm asking for is proof that TEXAS requires me to get numbers!! I don't care what the Communist regime in Washington thinks
     
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  3. OnlyTheFacts

    OnlyTheFacts Bobtail Member

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    I live next door to an actual DOT trooper and he's never said anything and knows what I do. Plus he has two friends that are deputy sheriff's and they have come over to watch me work on my truck installing auxiliary fuel filters and we discussed what I do and yet they don't think I'm a criminal? So where do I find proof? Who has a site, citation ANY proof? We have 9 driver of little one tons where I get 75% of my loads and not ONE HAS NUMBERS. They have been in business for 30 years just celebrated the anniversary last month, every truck running with out numbers.

    So if im breaking the law how? Sorry to be so distrustful but I'm sick of hearing it
     
  4. Dakota1358

    Dakota1358 Medium Load Member

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    If you don't care what the communist regime in Washington thinks and the state of Texas tells you that you don't need them then why worry.Apparently Texas doesn't have an issue with it if the state agency and your DOT next door neighbor say its ok.You say the federal site says you do but remember you don't care about those communists.
     
  5. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    First thing is if you are travelling intrastate, then texas rules apply but if you are travelling interstate then the FMCSA regs apply.

    Second the FMCSA doesn't have weigh stations, that is the state and only the state that has them. If you have a complaint about them, then you need to contact your state.

    Third the feds are only concern with interstate commerce, the states have elected to follow their regulations to make it simple and easy for us - believe it or not. Just imagine a whole bunch of California CARB regulations and prevent you from crossing the line into another state because you don't have the right tail light or your truck doesn't have something shiny on the hood.

    Fourth if you called the state, got a name, you have your answer.
     
  6. Shadow Captain

    Shadow Captain Light Load Member

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    Just a guess but when you are calling the Texas DOT Commercial Vehicle Office their answer refers to the TXDMV number for intrastate descibed in this link and unless you haul Hazmat it appears you don't need a number.
    http://www.txdmv.gov/motor-carriers/txdmv-number
    If you're wondering about the USDOT number every state has a FMCSA field office---we're not allowed to post phone numbers in this part of the forum but here is the link to find the Texas field office, just scroll down:
    http://fmcsa.dot.gov/about/contact/offices/displayfieldroster.aspx
     
  7. OnlyTheFacts

    OnlyTheFacts Bobtail Member

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    Thanks Captain I did review all that when I sold my Pete. I am indeed compliant in every way. Reviewing the Texas stuff is cut and dried. The federal stuff, not so much. Even when you fully understand things something else might contradict it.
    Last year I actually started working on a law degree. Looks like I've still got 3 maybe 3 1/2 years to go. When I bought my Pete/car hauler I was going through a mid-life crisis so to speak. Luckily, I didn't lose my ###! I've had a blast in this industry even with the steep learning curve, over-bearing regulations, those looking for rookie (car hauling in particular) and the steep investments vs net gains.
    I purchased an inexpensive truck ( 1/2 the cost of my Chevy!), found my way into hauling frac sand sold the car hauling trailers and thanks to the patch and advice from great independent business owners pulled into the black rather quickly.
    With the connections there I was able to develop my current business model and I'm happy but driven by desire to further my education.
     
  8. CMFofNC

    CMFofNC Bobtail Member

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    OnlyTheFacts,
    For the last 4 months I have been studying the State and Federal rules and regulations for my state and it is a can of worms for sure. I have found you have to think through every word they put on paper. Its as if they don't want you to have a clear understanding of the rules they regulate.
    I have gone through the same thing you are talking about as far as DOT #s go, they are issued and regulated by your state but are not required when under 26.001 lbs. and haul only intrastate. but then there is exceptions, if you are required to have a CDL then you are required to have a TXDOT#. If you haul HAZMAT then you are required to have a TXDOT#, now here is the tricky part, are you really hauling Intrastate ? if your freight originated outside of your state, or your freight will be shipped on to another state even though you pick it up and drop it off and never leave your state with it, it is actually Interstate freight. So you can not legally transport it inside of your state without having a TXDOT#. So here's the Facts as I have found them to be, If what you haul originated in you state and terminates in your state for the purpose of being used in your state and you are not required to have a CDL, (under 26.001lbs GVW or under 10.001lbs trailer weight, No HAZMAT) then you probably don't need a TXDOT#.
    I hope this doesn't leave you more confused because only you are responsible for making sure that you comply with all of the state and federal regulations and I think that the UN will be involved somehow someday in the future.

    CMFofNC
     
  9. OnlyTheFacts

    OnlyTheFacts Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the update. I'm always loving the info. Yes, I am aware of all the above and 100% comply. Its a really nice gig. Im quite focused on my law endeavors now. Still I run 3000 or so a week, 90% within 50 miles!
     
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