Fighting back against CSA

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by zraver, Aug 24, 2011.

  1. zraver

    zraver Bobtail Member

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    First from a strict constitutional perspective CSA is unconstitutional. You have no right to face your accuser, no appeal, no trial and no way to seek peaceable redress of grievances. But its not going to go away and the carriers with deep pockets will make sure that eventually CSA will tag us much harder than it ever tags them. CSA is basically war on truck drivers. Combine it with the push for 97,000lb trucks, Mexican carriers and increased intermodal operations and it means the industry and DOT are trying to reduce the number of drivers and the rate they are paid.

    Fighting back against CSA is going to require a new type of driver. One who takes the stuff said in boring safety meetings and makes them part of their driving style. One who uses technology to stay one step ahead of the DOT. One who thinks life begins and ends with real pre-trip/post trip inspections.

    Anyone who can't or won't become this kind of driver is on their way out sooner or later. The tail gaiters, speeders and loose leaders days are numbered. They are going to be replaced.....

    Personally I have started using a camcorder as a dash cam so I can document my speed, following distance and location @ date/time. Video logging is obviously a double edged sword. Law Enforcement has a right to the recordings as evidence. But a safe driver stands to gain more by recording than they stand to lose. I also have warning video logging on each door. I record and if I get stopped I intend to keep recording unless a cop tells me to shut it off and then they look bad in court.

    Using a dash cam I am also much more speed, following distance and lane sensitive than I was. This has already helped avert two possible fatal crashes in West Virginia. Neither would have been my fault, but both could have led to a possible lawsuit since people think we have deep pockets. By being more safety conscious I protect my CDL and insure that my kids don't go hungry.

    What say you all?
     
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  3. virgil tatro

    virgil tatro Medium Load Member

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    I was just going to post about CSA, I dont understand the whole thing? I guess im not up on all the big words they use in the articles on the sites ive been to about CSA. I just read about it on land line. How does CSA affect me?

    this site is honestly starting to depress me. I havnt driven full time since 2008, and i really want to go back trucking. but dang. from what i read here on truckers report its hell out there.
     
  4. Meltom

    Meltom Road Train Member

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    I say you're more paranoid than I am. that can't be good.
     
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  5. dave26027

    dave26027 Road Train Member

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    The "Patriot Act" is currently taking the place of our Constitution. That's why campaigns like CSA 2010 are thriving, Uncle Slam is trying to corral and control threats to "our safety". (That threat is US, according to Uncle Slam).

    The original Constitution and Bill of Rights are currently in a state of indefinite suspension.

    Welcome to Amerika Comrade. Assume the position".
     
  6. zraver

    zraver Bobtail Member

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    CSA, takes all of your safety related citations in a CMV, as well as allegations of safety misconduct and other various rubrics supposedly relating to safety and applies them to you as a driver and your company on a 3 year sliding scale. year one full points, year 2, 2/3rds points, year 3 1/3 points and then gone on the 4th year. Your CSA score follows you but your points do not transfer to any company you can get to hire you.

    So John Doe wracks up a bucket load of points driving for company X his points won't transfer to company Y if he can get them to hire him. But they likely won't the number of points indicates he will likely add to their point total if they do hire him with fresh violations.

    If a company crosses a certain threshold based on the type of work they do they face various levels of government action. The company I work for is under the gun and is likely to be pulled over more frequently for roadside inspections. I've had it happen to me- no violations.

    Meltom,

    Before, it was never let a ticket go to court, settle it before trial and protect your CDL. Now CSA means you can't get a ticket in a CMV without it dinging you win or lose in the court room. The only answer is to not get tickets.
     
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  7. Moosetek13

    Moosetek13 Road Train Member

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    I just go with the flow.

    I've been a dish washer, janitor, auto salesman, security officer, silk screener, machinist, bartender, waiter, delivery driver, auto mechanic, computer tech...
    and now a truck driver.

    Funny, but out of all those, a single small mistake can end the entire career of just one of those.

    Mainly because of the insurance companies and CSA.

    Then, again, we do have at out command an 80,000 pound big rig as our toy and plaything.

    Think our profession is over-regulated? Sometimes, so do I.

    I am still new at this, being at this job/lifestyle less than a year. I am still nervous in backing and heavy traffic situations.
    I still realize that one little mistake, be it being a foot too far to the right or just a little too fast in a corner, can cost not only my life - but the lives of several other people as well.

    Seeing how some truck drivers drive, I think they have lost something.
    They have lost the respect for the machine that they command. They have lost that feeling of not being in complete control.
    Personally, I hope I never lose that. I never want to be so secure in driving a big rig.

    Because, face it, we are never in complete control of our environment and of the machine we 'command'.
    All it takes is as simple a thing as a tire failure - which many/most of us have experienced.

    I see truckers less than a car length from the bumper of the car they are following, trying to 'push' them out of the way.
    Always trying to get that extra mile per hour, they put so many lives at risk.

    All it would take is a blowout, or an animal running out, or just a sudden slowdown of traffic for an accident to occur. And I seem to read about those kinds of accidents on a regular basis.


    CSA was brought about for a reason.
    That reason is probably all the prima donna super truckers that think they own the road.

    Thank them! And, blame them!
     
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  8. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    CSA is not unconstitutiona, it is simply recording data.

    The patriot act is but for another discussion.

    The only result of aquiring points in the SMS is a compliance review where you will face your accuser, have an avenue for appeal, and if you are a big enough screw up a jury of your peers.

    Notice I said SMS. If you are not a carrier sadly CSA has little effect on you. Oh yes they will record your failures for future employers to see but no other action yet. Hopefully that changes to remove those incapable of doing their job. About 25% of current CDL holders need removed in my opinion. And we need real training and testing standards for CDLs and four wheelers. Let's be honest they issue licenses like toilet paper and in general do nothing to remove them until a driver really screws up.


    So yeah CYA, but you should have been all along.
     
  9. northbamatrucker

    northbamatrucker Light Load Member

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    I believe OOIDA are fighting it.
     
  10. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    Nothing to fight. And they are to busy keeping career politicians in DC to worry about your problems driver
    :biggrin_25515:
     
  11. virgil tatro

    virgil tatro Medium Load Member

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    Ive been given little tickets and i was totally in the right. A 40 dollar mudflap ticket in Colorado. I had a mudflap last time i stopped I knew it was there because i went back and cleaned off my lights, but they fined me anyway..
     
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