How to figure out type of placard needed.

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  1. waveform

    waveform Light Load Member

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    I just ran across a test question here I don't know how to solve. The question was:

    Your load includes 20 pounds of division 2.3 gas and .1001 pounds of flammable gas.
    What placard do you need?


    • A. Flammable
    • B. Explosive
    • C. Poison

    The answer was B Explosives, and it said, "you need to know the rules about flammable gases"

    According to my CDL study handbook, it says if you know five things you can figure out what placard you need, but they don't show you where or how to put these five variables together to determine the answer. The five things that determine what placard to use are:

    • Materials hazard class or division
    • special provisions
    • Amount being shipped
    • Total amount of weight of all hazards classes on vehicle
    • Type of packing (i.e. drum versus cargo tank)


    So if I know these five things, what tells me what placard to use if I'm carrying multiple hazards with respect to the original test question?
     
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  3. x#1

    x#1 Road Train Member

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    Not answering your question but man,i went skydiving out in temecula a few years back and it is beautiful.I hate california and haven't been back in a truck since the early 90's but that trip to temecula made me think that there are parts of cali that are alright.
     
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  4. CondoCruiser

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    I pick D. The shipper is required to select the proper placards! :)


    He's wrong though because the 2.1 which is a flammable gas and a flammable placard. Explosives are solids and liquids like Nitro, TNT, gun powder. Sure they all go BOOM but only one class gives off gasses because of it's low boiling point. Also any quantity of poisonous gas needs a Poison Gas or Poison Inhalation placard. So the actual answer is A and C. I think he messed the question up and meant to ask which placard do you NOT need. Then the answer would be B.


    Why are you dragging this across websites? Ask him why he screwed up, lol. We have practice tests here.
     
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  5. DoneYourWay

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    this may be a trick question or misquoted or missing part of question?
    check out the haz mat segregation table
    if it is poisonous gas zone a then these two materials cannot be transported together anyway
    (if it is zone b then there must be measures taken in case of leaks)
    whatev, my shipper is smarter than me, it is his legal responsibility to know this and he always tells me what placard to use
     
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  6. waveform

    waveform Light Load Member

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    Firstly, thanks everyone for your responce

    I think you're right Condo because I also remember reading that Inhalation hazards always need placards.

    Well, I wasn't concerned so much about the accuracy of the web site in question. I was really asking to find out the process of figuring out how to determine what placards are needed based on the five clues. I think that web site just made it more confussing..lol. I mean I know the basic classes, but somethings seem to have special provisions and require special types of placards. I'm just wondering how shippers and carries read though these huge code books and tables to match things up side by side. Not so much for the test, just for my own knowledge.
    I didn't know we had practice tests by the way, I can really use them now, thanks! By the way, I have all my endorcments now, I just need to take the hazmat.
    With regard to passing/failing, I don't know if this is a CA's law only, but I was told from the DMV that if anyone fails any endorsement test three times you have to take all the tests over again. That's BS. Because if you fail something like hazmat, you shouldn't be except from your passing marks on the basic driving test. it's just a money maker. Darn governments are so corrupt. Happy to be a conservative! Go Rush L..haha. J/K



    I was thinking about this also because a 2.1 gas @ above 20c / 68F and less then 101.3kPa of psi is ignitable when mixed with air. But then all three answers would be correct.
    I think Condo might be right about the question meaning to be a false question rather then a true question. I'll email the web site and save myself the guessing..lol




    Skydiving? I bet you like hauling 1.1 division too..haha.
    That's cool though man. I'm from Chicago. California is beautiful in so many ways, but I really miss the route options in the flat Midwest. Having no mountains around makes it so much easier to drive when you don't have to keep adjusting your speed. And to be honest, I'm not to crazy about the BIG government mentality out there. The state is broke and they nickle and dime you for everything. Got to pay for people like Nancy Polisie's 4 million dollar pension when she leaves office. But the truth is, Illinois was no better. CA is a nice state, the people here seem very friendly. But the strict regulations on driving are scarey. The fact that turning lanes don't have broken lines like in Illinois: if you decide you're in the wrong lane you have to stay there and do a U turn down the road. Or like being required to drive your front tire into the last 200 feet of a bike lane when turning right is ridiculous. In Illinois you'd get a ticket driving on a shoulder like that. These all seem like little money making traps IMO.
    I also found out that if you let your breaks get too hot going down grade you can get a reckless driving citation. You'd automatically loose your Hazmat and possibly your job. I do understand the concern here, but if a police officer writes me up because he thinks my brakes were too hot by his standards, how do you prove he was off by a few degrees?
     
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  7. x#1

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    well wf,your reply just confirmed why I don't go to cali in a truck.WOW.all those regs that you just informed me regarding stuff i had no idea about sealed my attitude. their laws are backwards and nancy PELOUSY is well,not the wisest person in politics-
     
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  8. waveform

    waveform Light Load Member

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    Tell me about it. And those are just a few of the things I know about. I'm wondering what I'm really in store for. You want to talk about backwards?
    How about this one - to burn you up:
    If you buy a new car out of state and bring it into CA, if it's a year old or less, they hit you on the difference in sales tax because of all the money the state of CA lost from all the people trying to save money buying cars out of state. They call it a (Use-Tax) So nice guys like me who move here get punished because of what California citizens did. It's like going into guitar center in Wisconsin and buying a Gibson guitar at 8%, then having to pay the sales tax difference because you brought it into Comufornia at say 9%, you'd have to dish out 1% to register it. Here Page 89


    I'll just say this. If this socialistic legal system starts screwing with my license. I'll go elsewhere to drive. Anyway, the sun is brutal on your skin out there.
     
  9. double yellow

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    CA turn lanes have thick square "dots" instead of the rectangular dashes separating continuing lanes.

    If your brakes are glowing, smoking, or on fire they are too hot. Otherwise you don't have to worry.

    The reason you have to stick a tire into the bike lane 200' before the turn is so it is very very clear what your intentions are. This is rarely enforced, but there are numerous deaths each year from cyclists getting pinned by trucks turning right. 3 deaths in San Francisco alone in 2013: http://sf.streetsblog.org/2013/08/1...truck-driver-on-folsom-charges-off-the-table/
     
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  10. waveform

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    Well most the turning lanes here in Temecula are solid white lines.
    With regard to bike deaths. I'll just say this: We had a heavy population of people on bikes down town Chicago and they didn't get hit often. The difference is, bikers in the windy city respected cars and used their brains. I'm sorry. This mentality in California that pedestrians always have the right away is taken too far. It's true that cars should yield to people when they can, but the circumstances surrounding some of these laws are ridiculous. For example:


    • It says in my CA 2013 driving book,"If a pedestrian makes eye contact with you, it means he/she is ready to cross the street, Yield to the pedestrian" (page 30). So if I think someone is looking at me I'm supposed to be on pins and needles not knowing if they're going to dart out across the street? The process is all wrong.


    • The Lane splitting law that allows motorcyclists to pass between cars is stupid and deadly. No other word for it. I don't care how busy traffic is in CA, that is dangerous and makes driving very tense for people in cars.


    • Another thing that's strange out here is that there are often speed bumps placed at the entrance way into large shopping parking lots. This causes people turning off a main-busy street to have to slow down to almost a stop and causes congestion at the entrance. This is how people get rear-ended.

    One of the reasons I think putting your tire in the bike lane is bad, is that it teaches people to develop the habit of doing something out of their normal lane. Humans tend to use their brains less when they act out of habit because they get comfortable with an action and they form an opinion on their environment. If a biker is in that lane and the driver is looking to the left at an address while merging to the right over the bike lane, he/she might hit someone. Or a large vehicle is in front of them it might not give the driver in the car enough time to view all their surroundings. If a biker gets hit by a turning car, it's because they didn't stop before the turn at the intersection.

    I don't' know who makes these laws. It sure seems like California has a lot of people smoking grass so I'm not surprised.
    That and the fact that the state is so broke from people who think that governments (which produces nothing to GDP) are going to save them. Just my opinion.
     
  11. blairandgretchen

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    I say faulty test - should be flammable gas placard, though I forget what 2.3 is.
    1001 lbs or over is automatic placard.

    Thank god for computers to feed in all the Venn diagrams and spit out an answer.
     
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