Was this trucker in the wrong?

Discussion in 'Questions To Truckers From The General Public' started by aeon, May 5, 2015.

  1. aeon

    aeon Bobtail Member

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    Was this trucker in the wrong?

    https://vid.me/VAy1

    Dashcam footage, at night (very early morning) and cam quality is bad, but can make out the gist of it from video: (at 1:15 into 2:00 minute clip)

    On stretch of highway with speed limit about 70. Truck going 60 or 65 on the left most /passing lane.

    At 1:14 you see the car ahead (who was directly behind the truck) deciding the pass the slow moving truck by shifting to the center lane and then immediately moving back to the left lane.

    At 1:23 I finally realize he is going to slow and I will catch up and run into him so I signal intent to move to center lane in order to pass him. There are no other cars in our immediate vicinity whether behind me, in the center lane or in any of the other lanes.

    At 1:25 the white truck ahead starts to signal intent to turn/shift/ but goes straight for a few seconds and pauses and doesn't actually do anything, leading me to believe he may have wanted me to pass him first or something...

    At 1:28 truck actually starts to shift into the center lane.

    At 1:31 truck is almost entirely in center lane and most entirely cleared the left most lane.

    Then just as I'm about to pass him, will starting to go parallel alongside him, he does an about face and comes back into the right lane, forcing me off the road and into the shoulder. It took him several seconds to hesitantly move from left lane to center lane, yet he moves back with much faster speed with no signaling. I know he saw me because I even put my headlight's highbeams on and honked several times when I realized what he was doing.

    If I had reacted slower and he had bumped into me under these conditions who would have been at fault?

    Note objects in real life were closer than they appeared in the camera... Also note that on his way back into the left lane he didn't signal at all, and infact he was still signaling to move to the center lane through the entire time!


    I think he was just pissed off that other cars were (rightfully) passing him and wanted to get back at someone by bullying them off the road.

    What could I have done differently to avoid him running me off the road like that?
     
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  3. w.h.o

    w.h.o Road Train Member

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    I didn't see a trucker in that video.
     
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  4. aeon

    aeon Bobtail Member

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    At 1:28 in the 2:00 minute clip you don't see the white truck directly ahead in the left lane moving to the center?
     
  5. ShooterK2

    ShooterK2 Road Train Member

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    Well, it doesn't make it right for him to come back into your lane like that, but I will say that I don't take kindly to anyone bright-lighting me, especially at close distances, at night. A person with a bad temper might just run a person off the road for it. I don't, and never will, understand the reasoning behind using bright headlights on another vehicle at night. In my opinion it's extremely dangerous and should never happen.

    Like I said, however, that's no excuse for him to change his mind and come back into your lane after pretending to switch into the middle lane.

    Also, without being able to see your speed, the video makes it look like you were moving on pretty good (passing 11 vehicles, without once being passed yourself), and also never leaving the passing lane (even though you had several chances to do so) for the entire duration of the 2-minute video. Had there been an accident, I don't know who's fault it would have been, since it looks like both of you were doing things that shouldn't be done.

    And one more thing: I'm not entirely sure that's even a trucker. There appears to be no company name anywhere on it. It kinda looks like a rental truck of some sort, but I can't be sure from the video.

    What you could have done differently to avoid an accident: drive correctly. Stay out of the passing lane unless you are immediately passing someone, just like you were taught before you got your first drivers license. And don't be bright-lighting folks at night.

    Just my $0.02
     
  6. gokiddogo

    gokiddogo Road Train Member

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    You are passing everybody and then start to pass the box truck while he is only halfway over, and before that you were about to move to center lane and pass on the right. You are going too fast. Then you turn your high beams on and honk in some sort of anger which likely made the box truck driver think oh crap maybe I shouldn't be taking the middle lane. You were driving like an a-hole in this video. What is your hurry?
     
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  7. aeon

    aeon Bobtail Member

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    Okay thanks for the reply. He was basically grandpa-ing his way into the center lane, as noted after he signaled intent to shift to center lane, he does nothing for several seconds and then slowly inches to the center lane. I hadn't 'bright lighted' anyone at that point and was actually keeping distance (didn't close him with high delta velocity or tailgate him or anything), it appeared to me in retrospect he seemed intent on trapping me either way. He just didn't want me to pass him at all, plain and simple. Who knows how many other cars passed him that night? We know from the video at least two cars did the same, so perhaps I was the straw that broke his camel's back. I was going planning on going to shift to the center lane to "pass" him, so that he wouldn't need to move. He never gave me the chance to do so, he starting signalling like he wanted the spot - like he reserved it all for himself, but didn't move. After waiting a reasonable amount on time for him to make a move, and thinking perhaps he had changed his mind, and whether coincidence or not, it wasn't until I started moving to the center that he starting moving too, so then I moved back to the left to pass him since obviously it was apparent he would soon be in the center lane. His vehicle almost entirely went into the center lane and I was going parallel to him at that point when he decided (because I had bright lighted him) that out of spite he was going to run me off the road like that.

    In retrospect it appeared to me that he was probably going under speed limit and staying in the passing lane all night, and got tired of other vehicles passing him just to immediately get back in front of him in the left lane. (the car ahead of me did just that!) When he saw me coming, he probably decided then and there that enough was enough and he was going to use his larger vehicle to bully smaller ones and put a stop to this. He figured I was going to passing him by maneuvering into the center lane, (since I signaled, plus it was obvious anyway), so he signaled too, causing me to understandably hesitate to see what he was going to do. Then he probably intentionally didn't want to budge at all, in effect purposefully sitting on the toilet without taking a cr*p in order to deny others the ability to use said toilet, then when he finally saw that I made a move, he decided he was going to move to block me, at this point I had a reasonable basis to increase the lighting on my compact vehicle in order to gain better situational awareness and maximize visibility and to warn him in case he was drunk/sleepy/ etc (all his actions up to this point seemed deliberately or unusually slow, lagging or conservative, etc) but he immediately retaliated by recklessly swinging back into the left lane (even though he was almost entirely in the center lane at this point) in a manner inconsistent with his earlier actions and without signalling and without yielding to any right of way. There was no way he didn't see me especially with the lights and honking, yet he managed to place his truck back in the left lane at the expense of running me off the highway and into the shoulder.

    I've had this happened to me in the past (not a truck, just a regular car) where it almost seemed like the car ahead was intentionally trying to engineer an accident while legally pinning it on me. A while back, on a different highway, there was a sedan in front of me, we were both in the left lane of a three lane highway. No one was going very fast because there was a lot of congestion and this was during traffic hour. Cars were naturally swerving in and out, changing lanes and that sort of stuff. For whatever reason, the car ahead of me seemed intent on purposefully manufacturing an accident in which I would rear end him. He would swerve to the right, into the center lane, leaving a gap where his car used to be, then when I attempted to bridge the gap by moving forward he immediately (and much more aggressively than the truck in this video) decided to snap back into the left lane, literally had I not taken decisive action I would have been hard struck by him, this was also a construction zone and I ended up not only on the shoulder but unavoidably impacted with a large orange cone that ended up doing some damage to my undercarriage. When he swerved back the way he did, I had to immediately stepped on the brakes as hard as I could, but worried the car behind me would strike me, yet even that only barely put me bumper to bumper behind him (had I not slowed down at all his car would have likely struck mine side by side) and I couldn't believe it but simultaneously he was stomping on his brakes while in the left lane though he didn't need to do so because there was plenty of clearance in terms of the car ahead of him on the left lane, the center lane was a wall of cars so my only remaining option not to strike him in the back bumper was to swerve into the left shoulder. In effect, he boxed me in and then slammed on the brakes in hopes that I would either strike him in the back (and have it still be my fault) or force me off the road and onto the shoulder, striking a construction cone along the way.

    It was that incident that prompted me to get a car camera in the first place. I should get a better resolution on that captures license plates. I reported it to the police and they didn't even care. Are there any compact automatic license plate scanners for civilian use?
     
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  8. supersnackbar

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    From what I saw, you both were approaching a white Dodge P/U with his 4-ways on and he was just unsure if the guy was on the shoulder, in the right lane and was just playing it safe in the left lane until he passed him...then when you got to the white p/u, the p/u had actually moved to the center...sometimes patience is needed...he's out there in the left lane for a reason, and because of his size...a reason you can't see.

    And usually when you're the fastest vehicle on the road, you're the 1st one to the scene of the accident.
     
  9. gokiddogo

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    I can't agree with you, aeon ... If you had backed off for maybe 5-10 seconds and allowed him to move over ... We wouldn't even be talking about this ... So you are trying to say box truck was in the wrong because he did not immediately move over at same time as blinker went on ... And blinding someone is never a good idea. Honking at someone who may be tired he might have jerked it back to the left in an instant of error and this would have all been different. I still say you need to slow down and relax a little
     
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  10. Wild Murphy

    Wild Murphy HAPPY TRUCK DRIVER

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    I think the vehicle with the video camera is in the wrong. This video gives the impression that this driver owns the road. Driving faster than the flow of traffic, staying in the left lane, when confronted with a situation, this driver's reaction isn't to slow down and assess the situation, he continues to ride up the trucks rear in a hurriedly fashion, getting to close to the truck, then blows his horn while still passing and continuing on in "his lane." I would classify this driver as an aggressive driver, not a defensive driver who shares the road with others.
     
  11. Wild Murphy

    Wild Murphy HAPPY TRUCK DRIVER

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    "grandpa-ing across the road. "

    This is your problem. There are grandpas on the road. Also grandmas, pregnant women, teenagers, disabled people, school buses, babies in car seats. Your attitude is a ###### one.
     
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