Exposing log book tricks

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by jlkklj777, Jan 1, 2008.

  1. miakica

    miakica Light Load Member

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    Finnjet, you have made some good points, if we lived in a perfect world...
    Like I already said, too bad that we dont.

    Cheers
     
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  3. valczer

    valczer Light Load Member

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    Exactly. In a perfect world everybody would be treated fair and would get honest buck for honest work. In a perfect world truckers wouldn't have this problem to begin with...in this world we play the game with the cards we are dealt, and as any card player will tell you, if you wanna stay with the game you gotta have an ACE up your sleeve...
     
  4. miakica

    miakica Light Load Member

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    By the way, if you didn' know :

    we are not only "treated" like "stupit unskilled labor".....

    US Government is classifying us that....

    WE ARE UNSKILLED LABOUR


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  5. lostNfound

    lostNfound Road Train Member

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    What he said.
     
  6. Socy Grad

    Socy Grad Medium Load Member

    As a sociologist, I've been very interested by this dynamic. From the folks that I've had the pleasure to interview, many of them have expressed that this pressure from the companies have reduced in recent years.

    What do you guys think about this? Is there still a lot of pressure from the top to run illegal? Can you refuse a load that will make you illegal without repercussions?
     
  7. valczer

    valczer Light Load Member

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    Socy Grad, pressure from the top is one thing, but most do it, just to survive financially. Read Miakica's earlier post why he does it. He represents the vast majority. It is sad but that how this business is setup.
     
  8. Socy Grad

    Socy Grad Medium Load Member

    Yes, I did read this. Overall, this is a very disturbing trend in the industry, that folks have to break rules in order to survive. Although I know that most drivers do not engage in this, but it is amazing that some drivers might have to go through this just to make a decent living.

    This has been one of the aspects of my research that I am trying to understand more about, and find ways to improve this situation. I know of no other industry that has this type of pressure.
     
  9. valczer

    valczer Light Load Member

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    Socy Grad, you are wrong. Most drivers(OTR or long haul howerever u wanna call us) DO engage in this. ...many will not admit though. Be it loose leaf or simply not marking a 15 minute bathroom brake etc. etc. etc.. There is a reason we call log books, comic books.

    Socy Grad, you are right here, there is no other industry that workers will not mark work as work in order to get/do more work :) confused yet ? :)
     
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  10. Socy Grad

    Socy Grad Medium Load Member

    See, this is so interesting to me.... I know that it happens, and it happens mostly out of necessity, but most of the folks that I have spoken to try to keep everything legal when they can. Sometimes it's unavoidable, but it seems that the days of the driver who is illegal most of the time has fallen by the wayside. Am I wrong or have I just spoken a different set of drivers?

    Again, this is one of the dynamics that initially drew me to examine this industry. If drivers really do have to break the law to make a living, than there is something very wrong with the pay schedules, HOS rules, and other things that impact drivers lives on a daily basis.

    Crazy.

    Also crazy... It seems that many drivers want to amend the HOS to give themselves more driving hours.

    I also know of no other industry where the workers want to work more hours! :biggrin_2559:
     
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  11. jlkklj777

    jlkklj777 20 Year Truckload Veteran

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    It has gotten better. The DOT have stepped up enforcement and audited many companies (mine included) in the past few years. They come in to the company office and look for logs and the supporting documents that go with each trip. If those do not match up then the company is given an official warning to clean up their act and institute a monitoring program to comply with the regulations and police their driver force internally. After a few months the DOT will return and do a follow up investigation. Hopefully the carrier has complied with the requirements of the first inspection and will be allowed to continue operating with random surprise inspections in store. If the carrier did not comply then sanctions such as fines and even closing the doors of the company can result with legal action taken against the drivers, owners, and dispatchers depending upon their involvement.

    There are many ways to find out if a drivers record of duty status is correct. Everything from time stampled bills of lading, inbound/outbound record of entry and departure to a customer or company terminal, ez-pass records, fuel records, pre-pass, satellite tracking, cell phone records, and visual observations by personnel at weigh stations and state troopers that may have pulled that driver over.

    The biggest violators today are the lease operators and owner operators that are making payments on their trucks. I will not go so far as to say EVERY o/o or l/o violates the hours of service but compared to their company driver counterparts they do fudge their books more often. Its pretty obvious when you see a lease truck with a satellite dome mount with the wiring hanging down with no transceiver attached that particular truck has no computer tracking it. Could be because the driver did not want to pay for the service or it could be so they do not have "big brother" watching them. I leave it to you to decide which explanation is more plausible.

    As for the ways companies still compel drivers to run illegal it is a matter of pay. Be late for a load to a customer and you may have to sit until the following day to get loaded or unloaded without getting any pay for your time. Drivers learn real quick when they aren't making any money but they are still spending it for food to be out on the road. Drivers that make their deliveries on time are "rewarded" with more freight and loads than drivers that miss their appointments. Of course if you get into an accident or get caught running illegally by the police its "your fault" and you will have to pay the consequences. Dispatchers and load planners will routinely deny any knowledge of a driver being over his hours so in essence the driver is "hung out to dry."

    I believe the only way to address the hos problems is to compensate the drivers for ALL their time spent on the job. If they are waiting to be loaded, they get paid. If they are fueling the truck, they get paid. If they inspect the truck or get repairs done, they get paid. In short, if the driver is away from home and in that truck, responsible for the truck and/or the contents of the trailer he needs to be compensated.

    As for recording the drivers hos accurately the only conceivable way is to have EVERY truck with a tamper proof computerized monitoring system that measures speed of the vehicle, location of that vehicle (gps), weight of the vehicle, and weight of the driver in the drivers seat in constant contact with the companies main computer. Any tampering with the on board computer or transceiver would render the truck undrivable. Put all these together with commensurate pay for on duty not driving hours as well as drive times and there would be compliance accross the board.

    Of course this would turn this industry up side down and the cost of goods and services would be increased considerably to the general public.

    Customers would have to be billed for wasting a drivers time and force them to streamline their warehouses as well as shipping and receiving docks and practices.
     
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