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Old 05.18.2008
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Tickets in the mail(not camera or plane obvservation tickets)

Do any states allow cops to issue speeding violations without even pulling over the the motorist? Can they just record the vehicle's information and go on their merry way?
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I believe some states do just that. A news article a year or so ago was about Illinois setting up cameras in construction zones to record violations and the tickets would be mailed to the vehicle owner. I don't know how it worked out since I would expect the camera would have nailed everyone going into the zone.
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Do any states allow cops to issue speeding violations without even pulling over the the motorist? Can they just record the vehicle's information and go on their merry way?
I'll bet they can
All the officer has to do is be a witness against you in court
I do know that you as a regular citizen can write the plates down of a car breaking the law, then can go to a police station and have a ticket written. Then you go to court and testify
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Colorado allows unmanned cameras and mails speeding tickets.

Never heard of a case where an officer wrote up a ticket and had it mailed, though.
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a ticket can NOT be issued to a car, it has to be given to a person. it is up to the prosecution to PROVE who was driving the car. the owner of the car does NOT have to testify and incriminate themselves.
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a ticket can NOT be issued to a car, it has to be given to a person. it is up to the prosecution to PROVE who was driving the car. the owner of the car does NOT have to testify and incriminate themselves.

That is why those cameras take a picture of the driver as well.
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some do, some don't. some just get the license plate and the back of the vehicle. some may get a blurry photo of the driver. again, a ticket can't be given to a vehicle or a face.

and what you get in the mail is probably not actually a citation, just a letter from the "red light camera box company" instructing you to either pay the fine, or identify the driver if it wasn't you. first of all, it doesn't mention going to court. I guess there is actually no need to go to court if you haven't received a ticket. secondly, you are under NO obligation to identify the driver of the vehicle as this would violate your right not to incriminate yourself.

if you DID get a REAL ticket, with a photo AND DID go to court, they would STILL have to prove that you were driving the car. a blurry photo may or may not be enough.

we used to have red light cameras around here, but no longer. I received what appeared to be an official letter with a photo of my vehicle running a red light, and like a fool, I sent them the $50 they demanded. I'm not sure where it ended up.
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some do, some don't. some just get the license plate and the back of the vehicle. some may get a blurry photo of the driver. again, a ticket can't be given to a vehicle or a face.

and what you get in the mail is probably not actually a citation, just a letter from the "red light camera box company" instructing you to either pay the fine, or identify the driver if it wasn't you. first of all, it doesn't mention going to court. I guess there is actually no need to go to court if you haven't received a ticket. secondly, you are under NO obligation to identify the driver of the vehicle as this would violate your right not to incriminate yourself.

if you DID get a REAL ticket, with a photo AND DID go to court, they would STILL have to prove that you were driving the car. a blurry photo may or may not be enough.

we used to have red light cameras around here, but no longer. I received what appeared to be an official letter with a photo of my vehicle running a red light, and like a fool, I sent them the $50 they demanded. I'm not sure where it ended up.
Colorado uses high quality cameras - at least, the shots I've seen it's typically easy to identify the driver.

We DID have a third party speed-trap company, but the state courts ruled that they cannot issue tickets. (they had beed), because they kept a percentage of each ticket.

Not sure where they are now - all the camera vans I've seen in the past year or so are government owned...
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again, a photograph of a face is NOT identification. they don't have a name, address, driver license number, etc. they can NOT issue a ticket to a face! if you sent a lawyer to court to defend the ticket, the prosecution would have to PROVE who was driving the car. if you weren't in the court, that would be rather difficult for them to do without being able to put your face with the photo.
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I know Knoxville Tn has a bunch of redlight cameras that some outfit is lining the pockets of the city powers that be to install and use as a money racket. I wondered how that worked, if it was a real ticket with a valid threat from the government to pay or else, or is it something Redlight sends you and hopes you pay it and goes on about their business.

I don't know this for certain, but I have been told that the 25E tunnel at Middlesboro, KY has cameras on it, and the tickets they can give for speeding or changing lanes in the tunnel are Federal and come out of the Federal court in Atlanta, GA and are pretty much a lost cause to argue about dollar wise.

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