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Officer discretion... Bingo. I know quite a few traffic guys and motors, all of them dislike photo enforcement. My supervisor used to preach doppler tone to me. Visual estimate, doppler tone estimate, then look at the unit's display.
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Officer discretion... Bingo. I know quite a few traffic guys and motors, all of them dislike photo enforcement. My supervisor used to preach doppler tone to me. Visual estimate, doppler tone estimate, then look at the unit's display.

You are correct. You can tell if the Doppler gives that low squelch and switches back and forth to a high tone that something is interferring with it. Or you get that super high pitched tone, unless the cat is running triple digits. Although I must say I hit a cat the other day at 127 mph and the Doppler was screaming, and so was the violator.
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But we do have to agree that they are a good deterrent for speeding in a given area. Here in Springfield MO we put up at 10 intersections under a lot of people arguing that it's a money thing or it'll cause more accidents or other things.

Now that they are up our red light infractions are down to 8.something percent which is fantastic and the city is NOT making that much of a "windfall" on income being it only received about $14,000 in money from the light operators. You can fight it in court but with your face and tag and picture of the car you can't win even in court! If you cover your face then the OWNER of the tag and car get the ticket! It's your car and your insurance so you should know WHO was behind the wheel and I'd damn sure get the money out of them! It's a no win situation for you! We even had a Highway Patrol officer run one in his POV and tried to fight it on some Constitution grounds but it either got dropped, orders from up the chain of command as the MHP were all for them also! or it was deemed legal but it dissapeared from the papers after being front page and lead off news! As for causing accidents I cant remember the numbers but accidents at all 10 of these high accident intersections fell drastically! We also have signs on EVERY street coming into Springfield and all throught town that say Run Red $100 fine! You were warned!

I'll chew a little butt now! Times are changing. You are behind the wheel. See the traffic lights? See the cross walk walk signs? See them flashing? You should be ON THE BRAKES because the light is about to change and being as you're all professional drivers and sitting higher than everyone around you with a better view of the surrounding enviroment and knowing that everyone out there sees a truck as a potential money tree cash cow in a law suit why try to make that intersection?

The same with those cameras we are seeing out on the road. I agree it should have a patrol officer with it but when it comes to "safety" and "potential income" for a city or county we have no choice but to comply with the summons!

As to the OP's thing and he already knew about the cameras which I believe have been there since the first of the year with signs warning drivers they are there and he had adjusted his speed. If he DOES get a ticket you still get your day in court. If you have the proof you were doing the correct speed at that time, use the evidence. It's a pain in the butt getting a load scheduled for your court date but if they have that camera set for "trucks" it's because there is a 90% chance you won't show up or get a lawyer. You can always get the lawyer to fight it for you and you never have to show your face in court but then you have to go with what the lawyer gets for you. But in my experience they always get a better deal than you just paying the ticket!

sorry about the rant! I'm getting old and fussy! LOL
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I am not a fan of the photo radar at all. I'm a cop and think that it is ridculous. Part of my job is discretion. I can have the discretion to write you a ticket or not. A computer radar gun has no discretion. I know in my State, the red light camera tickets go to the owner of the vehicle, and the operator does not have to be identified. The owner is responsible for the civil fee and no points are assessed. With interference, at least with the units we are running now, you don't see it very often. The radar unit are assigned to the vehicles, so they never come out until calibration time. The units are then connected to the transmissions to get the "patrol speed", off the pulsations of the transmisson. So no longer does the radar antennae have to have the beam, when activated, pick up the patrol car speed for the moving mode. The new units are the best I have seen in my 12 1/2 years, very accurate, but as the operator you still have to use your visual observations and still check for shadowing or batching (the interference). Iroc girl, the big trucks do not cause wind turbulance that messes up the radar. With the older units like the Kustom KR-10's and Decatuer Genesis', the would only display one speed reading for the violator and the "patrol speed". When I first used these, if you had multiple vehicles in the beam, the field of influence, most of the time they would pick up the larger vehicle. They would also switch back and forth from fastest to largest. This is where your visual observation comes in. Radar is a complicated device when there is numerous vehicles in the beam if you are not experienced. With the Kustom Golden Eagle Dual Direction units we use, it has another display for the fastest vehicle in the beam of influence. So if a truck is in lane 2 (slow lane) at 64 mph and a four wheeler is in lane 1 (hammer lane) at 85, you will see both speeds displayed on the unit. I know when traffic is heavy, I will not use the radar, it's much easier to run it when traffic is light and not many vehicles in the beam at any time. In those instances I will utilize the Laser. Laser, the most accurate form of speed detection I have ever used. So easy anyone can use it. I could instruct any of you on this forum very quickly how to use the laser and obtain speed readings on it. Any way I agree with most of you on here, how the hell can a defendant have a trial and be able to question their accuser if it is a computer. I guess I'm from the old school of traffic enforcement. And I agree with what someone posted on here, if it's so unsafe, why aren't they stopping them then and there to correct the behavior and slow up the violator.
It's all about "Revenue Enhancement"........

Many of the cities in California removed their "Red Light" cameras due to the fact that drivers became paranoid and stopped short on a yellow causing more accidents to occur; and the fact that ( In CA anyways) Raytheon (Manufacturer of one type of "Red Light" camera) was taking a huge chunk of the the fines for "operational costs"....
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One little problem with that thinking . . . . . . .
Not only is "your" picture taken behind the wheel,but the front of the vehicle as well.(tag shot)

Then as you finish passing thru the traps a picture is also taken
of the rear of the vehicle.(tag shot #2)

Big Trucks are abit different,but they still get them as well.


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I live in Az. and everyone is crying that their rights are being violated by these photo radar units. But since technology isn't perfect, I always cover my face when I pass one, so I can't be Id'd. I'm not speeding, but don't want the hassle of having to defend myself in case of error. My baseball hat works perfectly, off my head and over my face for a few seconds and then on to the bar!
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You are correct. You can tell if the Doppler gives that low squelch and switches back and forth to a high tone that something is interferring with it. Or you get that super high pitched tone, unless the cat is running triple digits. Although I must say I hit a cat the other day at 127 mph and the Doppler was screaming, and so was the violator.
cat? as in cat truck engine? You're finally talking over my head
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cat? as in cat truck engine? You're finally talking over my head
The violator. Sorry some slang for "person", "guy" In this case a young punk.
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The violator. Sorry some slang for "person", "guy" In this case a young punk.
Your 70's is showing.
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