What's different about the engine brake in newer freightliners?

Discussion in 'Freightliner Forum' started by camionneur, Sep 2, 2014.

  1. camionneur

    camionneur Road Train Member

    1,239
    758
    Oct 18, 2013
    0
    They don't seem to like shifting gears with this engaged, as the older versions did just fine. I double clutch, so it isn't me. Here's what Jake has to say, for reference: "While shifting gears, the engine brake is automatically deactivated when you depress the clutch pedal. If the engine brake is on, shifting without using the clutch or double-clutching (to use the engine brake to reduce engine rpm--also known as “Jake Shifting”) is strongly discouraged. Serious powertrain damage or engine stalling/loss of vehicle control can result."

    With the newer Cascadias, versus the original ones (or Columbias), the brake does not seem to be disengaged by the clutch, causing a mis-shift. Was this done purposely, or what? It's kind of a ##### to switch it on or off with a button on the steering wheel to shift around curves (because I'm trying to steer).
     
  2. Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.

  3. fuzzeymateo

    fuzzeymateo Heavy Load Member

    771
    782
    May 20, 2013
    AZ
    0
    If your foot is not on the clutch when shifting the jake will engage. Even though you think you are double clutching there may be a point when your foot is not engaging the clutch and you don't realize it. So it probably is you. Why anyone uses the clutch to shift is beyond me.
     
  4. camionneur

    camionneur Road Train Member

    1,239
    758
    Oct 18, 2013
    0
    I don't know, I shift them both the same way with different results, and the owner's manual recommends double clutching, besides I have yet to see one truck driver float gears smoothly around town.
     
  5. w.h.o

    w.h.o Road Train Member

    3,574
    4,068
    Jan 10, 2011
    Chicago, il
    0
    In a 14 hour day, I will grind 5% it's not hard to shift smoothly it's all about the rpm match.

    My engine brakes act funny in the Columbia but the cascadia seem fine... I rarely use engine brake only going down a downgrade which require it
     
    jeepnut_nh Thanks this.
  6. camionneur

    camionneur Road Train Member

    1,239
    758
    Oct 18, 2013
    0
    I think it happens especially on upshifts with that newer model. Well, I don't tell anyone not to float gears, that's the manufacturer, what do they know?
     
  7. bigkev1115

    bigkev1115 Road Train Member

    2,363
    3,608
    Oct 23, 2009
    Alexandria, AL
    0
    With these newer trucks some of the jake brakes are considered exhaust brakes
     
    camionneur Thanks this.
  8. camionneur

    camionneur Road Train Member

    1,239
    758
    Oct 18, 2013
    0
    Maybe that accounts for the shifting difference, I didn't see a similar description of clutch disengagement for the Jacobs exhaust brake.
     
  9. x#1

    x#1 Road Train Member

    1,773
    1,102
    Dec 24, 2009
    Cherokee County, Alabama
    0
    why shift with the engine brake on? i know of three trucks that didn't fare too well due to the driver shifting w/jb on. it is not easy on the trans. i am sure that many will disagree w/me and many will agree w/me on this but imho,you do not need to shift w/jb engaged/on.
     
  10. camionneur

    camionneur Road Train Member

    1,239
    758
    Oct 18, 2013
    0
    I don't think it's any harder on the trans, when disengaged by the clutch, as it is to switch on in the first place, but I was cornering downhill and upshifting out of the turn to decrease inertia (or actually looking for the switch on the steering wheel to turn it off and upshift in that case, with an exhaust brake, I guess).
     
  11. Mooose

    Mooose Light Load Member

    161
    61
    Apr 13, 2014
    Sherwood Park,AB
    0
    That's my warning to myself that I'm getting tired: I start screwing up easy upshifts.
     
    Hammer166 Thanks this.
  • Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.