steering column in a KW

Discussion in 'Kenworth Forum' started by rollin coal, Aug 21, 2014.

  1. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    Understood. Of course even an ace screws up now and then. I know that. Believe me when I say everything has been apart and checked multiple times. What you said do in that earlier post I got the t shirt. I'm going to try new leaf springs and hangers and get the caster set at 5* the leafs I had planned on having replaced after New Year's anyways, so I'm just moving that up. I don't really have any confidence that it will fix anything though. You may be right about the thrust area I don't know. If that's the case then the kingpins have to come out and be done again right? Really this is my gut feeling anyway. I don't know how likely I am to convince original shop of that or even if they will own up to it. Remember they already tore down and rebuilt the right side again at no cost to me. I really am tired of dealing with people who seem to have thrown their hands up.
     
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  3. w9l

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    When I don't know something, I will be the first to admit it. I don't know what your axle design uses fror a thrust surface/ bearing. To me it would be very doubtful if kingpin work itself had to be repeated as long as they machined the pin holes exactly perpindicular to the thrust area. If they didn't then the spindle is only resting on the high spot which means the weight is not distributed ove the whole thrust area. Which could in theory, cause a bind issue because of concentrated weight and the fact it would wipe the lubrication off the contact point. Depending on how much it is out of square it would probably "wear in" to the point of steering halfwy normal again, but that premature increased wear is likely to cause other issues. Could be as simple as bad thrust washer that somehow got cracked or tweaked on reassembly? Like I said I don't know how your axle is designed to deal with thrust.
     
  4. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    Going to have it shimmed closer to 5* both sides and see how it reacts. At this point that seems the only reasonable thing to do. We have to eliminate that as a possible cause of the steering wheel not correcting itself and wandering. If it's not that then right back to where it all begin as in I don't know wtf to do.
     
  5. w9l

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    Dont blame you. Needs to be done anyway. I am assuming whomever left it at near 2* is also the one(s) that concluded 1/32 for toe in as satisfactory also? 1/32 may well be "within spec"- kinda like the 2-2.5* but it is less than ideal for driveability. In a perfect world .031 (1/32) might be adequate, but...... I am not a mathematician, but if your front wheel beerings adjust anything like mine do you have to put the cotter pin in the slot that allows for the least slack, but not exceeding 0 slack. The slots are not in perfect time with the threads as to allow for a .000 bearing adjustment. Either they have to be pinned a little too snug (BAD BURN) or a little loose , maybe .002-.006. If you multiply the slack from the wheel bearing out to the contact surface of the tire and multiply it by 2 so as to allow for both sides, it would greatly shock me if it doesnt exceed .031. So going down the road you are at near zero to negative toe, and that is not allowing for wear or give in anything else related.
     
  6. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    You and dirthaller know more about it than I do. Really this is why I pay someone else to do aligment some things best left to those who know. In 5 years and 2 alignments never had issues with the shop before. If dirthaller hadn't mentioned caster in his op, and I hadn't ever googled and read on it, I never would have thought about it being an issue. Nobody at the suspension shops ever mentioned it. I guess they just know and take things for granted. It's only when you ask a specific question about caster that they go into any sort of detail. I guess if it ain't their truck in spec is good enough even if not ideal. What is the spec variance allowable? What exactly is ideal for toe and camber also? And why? Is every front truck axle pretty much the same on ideal set up caster, camber, and toe? And everyone agrees 5* is ideal for caster? School me. I'd like to understand. You want to hear some irony. I'm actually picking up a hot load right now from the TRW plant that reman'd my steer gear, both of them lol. Strange.
     
  7. bigguns

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    You have been complaining about pointy and not centering itself. One day ago you said not correcting itself and wandering. I am not finding fault. We need to keep to the same story to figure this out. IMO Because radial tires are softer rubber than bias ply tires the closer toe in and camber can be kept to zero the longer the tires should last. I set my toe as close to zero as I can deal with. It takes a little getting used to depending on the tires. I still believe the problem is in the kingpins because that is when the problem started. Frustrating as all get out I know. Who pays in the end depends upon where the problem turns out to be. A shop did the work and they agree there is a problem so they should continue to work with you. I think what I would do is get a GOOD axle, refurb it, then change it out with what you have. It could possibly save you a lot of downtime and point you to the problem more quickly. A risk I know but you have been paddling upstream a long time. Don't give up. When the issue is resolved you and others will have expanded your "school of hard knocks" knowledge.
     
  8. rollin coal

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    Let me tell you if you've never driven one that's pointy it has you wandering all over correcting constantly. The problem has always been the same. Point the wheel to the left to make a lane change and it wants to continue veering that way and will not correct. If you just barely overcorrect you're veering to the right. It just makes you go all over the road constantly. Once you center it it's fine and tracks true down the highway. The #### thing is smooth as silk driving other than this. Don't have much confidence in anything about the whole situation anymore. Just have to do one thing at a time. Maybe the lesson in this is reman axle is only way to go for guys like me not DIY kingpins.
     
  9. bigguns

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    The problem isn't the DIY part if the situation has people who do this kind of work every day confused also. Have you called MD alignment in St. Louis I believe?
     
  10. sulltran

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    I'll second the 5 degree castor setting. That is where I like mine set...or even slightly more...5-6 degrees. A couple of degrees or so might not sound like much but makes a big difference in handling. I have found 5-6 degrees gives it a nice relaxed highway ride without always correcting.
     
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  11. Oscar the KW

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    RC, I have a friend with an 03 T6, he has fought the same battle you are having for years. He has replaced EVERYTHING, multiple times, and even last year put a brand new axle under it, still was not happy. I told him to take it to a shop that I use, he finally did this spring, and they replaced the front springs and shackles. He is beside himself now, the truck drives like a dream and tire wear is great. The springs on a T6 are very long, and are prone to loosing their arch and cause a lot of problems.
     
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