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Why can't LEOs just look on your gadget instead of having to fax them? I always understood the law was YOU had to be able to print on demand for LEOs.

When you run out of fuel do you expect to borrow some from a LEO?

 

Again, where's the law???????????????? This is a proposal, not a law. If someone can post the "passed law" that came out of Congress please post it for everyone to see. Nobody can because there isn't one. This isn't about what will be but rather what is, and at this point there is no law. that's apparent because nobody has posted it on here yet. Another poster put something on page two of this thread, here's the link http://eobr.com/eobr-news/congress-adopts -electronic-logging-device-bill/ , but this is a private company trying to sell EOBR's, not a government regulatory body................So, I did some research myself and found that the EOBR mandate was in the highway bill in 2010 or 2011. The highway bill passed but was taken to court (I think by OOIDA), on this issue. The Court threw the mandate out saying it was a potential for harassment of drivers. At the moment the government is still studying the issue and yes, I'm sure they will keep throwing at the wall til it sticks; however, at this moment it has not. I've posted some of the most recent articles below so we can all educate ourselves.

http://www.landlinemag.com/Story.aspx?StoryID=23619#.UvP9WE2YYic


http://www.overdriveonline.com/eobr-rule-in-the-works-expected-in-november/

 

You did not ask me for the law. You asked about the fine.

As far as law, read up on Map 21. All they need is the funding and some other issues.

I am not saying it will happen, in fact, hoping it does not.

 

I know, and I see the fine for the proposed law. Thanks for posting it.

 

Get out from underneath your rock more frequently. It was written into the current highway bill, MAP21.

 

That's right it was. And below is a posting about MAP 21 from the JJ Keller website. As far as the rock comment goes, I'll chalk that up to typical uneducated truck driver talk. The kind that has brought an entire industry down. As you can see below, yes it was in MAP 21 but the rule has still not been written yet and I'm sure that when it is there will be even more legal challenges. So there is no time frame since "the fate of the bill remains uncertain."


EOBRs, other safety initiativesJuly 5, 2012
MAP-21 to be signed into law later this week
A massive new transportation funding bill contains numerous provisions that will affect motor carrier safety for years to come, including a controversial mandate that all interstate truck and bus drivers use electronic logging devices to track their hours.
The Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century Act (MAP-21) was approved by Congress on Friday, June 29, and is expected to be signed into law. It reauthorizes the government to spend nearly $55 billion per year on highway and transit programs through September 30, 2014, replacing the previous funding bill known as SAFETEA-LU.
FAQs on EOBRs posted by FMCSA
Included in the bill is a requirement that the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) issue a rule mandating that all motor carriers engaged in interstate commerce must use electronic on-board recorders (EOBRs) to monitor compliance with hours-of-service regulations. The agency has one year to write the rule, and then drivers would have another two years before they would have to start using the devices.
The EOBR mandate could be placed on hold, however, because Congress is currently debating another bill that would prohibit the Department of Transportation from spending any money on EOBR regulations through fiscal year 2013. The fate of the bill remains uncertain.
In addition to the EOBR mandate, MAP-21 contains numerous other provisions related to motor carrier safety, highway safety, and hazardous materials transportation, many of which are already in development:

 

The information was in that link I posted for you. Was passed in late 2012. Go read articles there. It is law. Like other HOS changes and emissions regs they usually take years to work out the details before they impose the law. The wheels of gooberment turn slowly. Maybe if people raised enough ruckous they would not fund anything but don't hold your breath on that one. People love gadgets and gooberment snooping in email listening to their calls tracking everything. Ask an ordinary American what the fourth amendment is and see their eyes glaze over with a blank stare.

 

That's right, and it was thrown out in an Appeals Court in 2012 as well. The link you provided was for a private company selling or giving information on where to buy EOBR's. The other posters are correct.....The mandate was put in the highway bill (MAP 21); however, the FMCSR has not written the rule yet. Below is some Q&A I took off the JJ Keller website. Oh, I agree with you wholeheartedly about the 4th Amendment.

[h=1]EOBR/ELD and E-Log Frequently Asked Questions[/h][h=2]What is an electronic on-board recorder (EOBR) or electronic logging device (ELD)?[/h]An EOBR or ELD is an electronic device that is capable of recording a driver's hours of service and duty status automatically (the older term “EOBR” is being phased out and replaced by “ELD”). At some point, ELDs are expected to become required for most interstate drivers. The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) is currently writing new rules containing the specifications that ELDs will have to meet, and the requirements for motor carriers and drivers to use the devices. Though the agency used to have rules for EOBRs — contained in 49 CFR §395.16 — those rules have been rescinded. It is expected that ELDs will have to be integrally synchronized with specific operations of the commercial motor vehicles in which they are installed, meaning that the devices will have to capture things like engine use and miles driven directly from the vehicle.
[h=2]Are EOBRs or ELDs required?[/h]Not yet. For most carriers, the use of electronic logs is optional. The FMCSA wrote rules in 2010 that would have required certain carriers to use EOBRs, but those rules were removed. The FMCSA is currently writing new rules that will require many carriers and drivers to use ELDs in the future. In some cases, motor carriers today may be required to install automatic on-board recording devices as part of a consent agreement with the FMCSA following a compliance review (DOT audit) that reveals noncompliance

 

The problem we have is that the ATA is a strong supporter of the ELD/EOBR. There are many members that have went to them in advance of the possible mandate of the units. In fact, many companies believe it will be coming in less than 2 years.

As a result, if it does not happen, many of the companies will be at a disadvantage toward the rest. I believe it will happen by the pull of the ATA and many of the larger companies calling for an equal field.

Does not mean I support it, but, it will not surprise.

 

Never thought I'd see the day where it was hard to get hired with landstar. They used to have a huge turnover. Near 100%.