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They pay taxes? They're not supposed to! Only citizens get to pay taxes so they can reap the benefits of them. They can and WILL steal jobs from Americans if companies realize that they can hire illegals for much cheaper and not even have to give health insurance. You keep dismissing illegals as petty little things like jay-walkers and loiterers, but the fact remains that illegals cause untold damage to society, not just in monetary value, both by their refusal to assimilate and in the crimes they commit.

They have taken jobs. They have reduced the paying wage. Companies continue to hire them even though the law is in place. Companies are only interested in the bottom line, not the law.
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Okay, I'll address this one!

In 1967, my father's family worked in the fields, picking fruit, and cleaning orchards. They made minimum wage plus about 50cents more... Between Grandpa, Dad, and Uncle Bob, they were making it pretty good.

In 1968, Grandpa went back to the same orchard and was refused work, because the man said he had no work for him. He had hired a group of illegals to do the same job for 50cents less than minimum wage.

In 2001, shortly after the citrus froze, my husband was laid off. When the packing plant picked up work again and he tried to go back, he was refused. They had picked up a bunch of the children of those who stolen my father's, uncle's and grandfather's jobs. Technically, they are citizens, because of our laws, I'll concede that. But their parents came here illegally, and stole jobs, and because they were here, their children were, or my hubby would still have that job!
Look at the big construction COs around Houston.Some may be legal nearly all working for them are Mexicans and can not speak a word of English.In Batson TX.Chip Truck Drivers speak no English.And you have to speak and understand English.
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I missed this:

Can you demonstrate that legal people are losing jobs? It seems common on this forum not to post any evidence whatsoever.

For someone who uses "BS" so much, you seem unwilling or unable to do any research.
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BTW, they can't steal jobs from me. I worked my way through college and have two degrees.
Yes and it shows tooI see that you read BLOGS They pay taxes only when they buy something like tacos at wally world used cars with no Insurance
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They pay taxes? They're not supposed to! Only citizens get to pay taxes so they can reap the benefits of them. They can and WILL steal jobs from Americans if companies realize that they can hire illegals for much cheaper and not even have to give health insurance. You keep dismissing illegals as petty little things like jay-walkers and loiterers, but the fact remains that illegals cause untold damage to society, not just in monetary value, both by their refusal to assimilate and in the crimes they commit.
By "untold" do you mean "we cannot demonstrate evidence of"?

"Refusal to assimilate"? That's fascinating. Is it possible you're not just talking about language any more?

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Okay, I'll address this one!

In 1967, my father's family worked in the fields, picking fruit, and cleaning orchards. They made minimum wage plus about 50cents more... Between Grandpa, Dad, and Uncle Bob, they were making it pretty good.

In 1968, Grandpa went back to the same orchard and was refused work, because the man said he had no work for him. He had hired a group of illegals to do the same job for 50cents less than minimum wage.
And you blame the illegal immigrants for that? It's clearly the fault of the orchard owner that your grandfather wasn't able to find work there. It was his decision to switch over to cheaper, illegal workers. It was his decision not to hire your grandfather. Blaming the immigrants seems to me like blaming drivers for pollution instead of auto manufacturers.
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In 2001, shortly after the citrus froze, my husband was laid off. When the packing plant picked up work again and he tried to go back, he was refused. They had picked up a bunch of the children of those who stolen my father's, uncle's and grandfather's jobs. Technically, they are citizens, because of our laws, I'll concede that. But their parents came here illegally, and stole jobs, and because they were here, their children were, or my hubby would still have that job!
Ah, but the reality is that if your husband is willing to get the same pay as any illegal, he's more likely to get hired because he can work legally and he speaks English.

When I was in high school, I was able to secure a job as a landscaper simply because I spoke English and had a driver's license. Once hired, it was easy for me to get promoted to assistant foreman and then foreman because I was able to communicate with the landscaping management and the customers. And I was legal, so there was never any concern about people calling INS. A secure worker is a more reliable worker and is a more marketable worker.

I'll bet I could get your husband a job here in the SF Bay area with a landscaping company in less than 24 hours, even with the economy in a bit of a slump.
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The simple fact is they are here ILLEGALLY and should not be here. Why do you find it so necessary to defend them?
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The simple fact is they are here ILLEGALLY and should not be here. Why do you find it so necessary to defend them?
Because......that's what trolls do.

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And you blame the illegal immigrants for that? It's clearly the fault of the orchard owner that your grandfather wasn't able to find work there. It was his decision to switch over to cheaper, illegal workers. It was his decision not to hire your grandfather. Blaming the immigrants seems to me like blaming drivers for pollution instead of auto manufacturers.
This response is a total cop out on your part....

You asked
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Can you demonstrate that legal people are losing jobs?
You did not say anything about applying blame onto anyone... She answered your question and gave you a legit answer proving that people have been losing jobs.......

So, much for your 2 degree's...... Someone who can't admit when they are wrong you defiantly are... By the way nobodies job is perfectly safe, everybody is replaceable to cheaper labor...
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The simple fact is they are here ILLEGALLY and should not be here. Why do you find it so necessary to defend them?
Damn it girl now thats a dang good question.Maybe he is a naw he couldnt be you think well maybe why not
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It was as much the illegals fault as much as it was the growers. They came into this country illegally. They offered to do the job for less than was legally required. If they had not been here the job could not have been given to them.
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