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Republicans, Conservatives. Your own ego is being used against you by Bush.

  1. Bush lied to congress and the American public about the reasons for invading Iraq.
  2. Bush conducted illegal wiretaps of American citizens.
  3. Bush violated the Geneva Convention by torturing prisoners of war.
  4. Bush violated international law by invading a sovereign country for illegal purposes.
  5. Bush held prisoners without formal charges and without legal representation.
  6. Bush illegally used government funds for domestic political propaganda related to the administration's Medicare package, paying commentator Armstrong Williams, etc
  7. Bush used uniformed military personnel for Republican party political purposes.
  8. Bush was negligent in his slow response to help victims of Hurricane Katrina.
  9. Bush shows contempt towards our constitution and our democratic ideals.
  10. Bush lied about the fish
The Downing Street "Memo" is actually the minutes of a meeting, transcribed during a gathering of many of the British Prime Minister's senior ministers on July 23, 2002. Published by The Sunday Times on May 1, 2005 this document was the first hard evidence from within the UK or US governments that exposed the truth about how the Iraq war began.
Since that time, much more information has come to light through leaks of secret government documents and the accounts of an increasing number of people who have witnessed the administration’s wrongdoing firsthand.
There is now in the public record a large body of evidence that vividly illustrates:
  • Bush’s long standing intent to invade Iraq
  • Bush’s willingness to provoke Saddam(in a variety of ways) into providing a pretext for war
  • The fact that the war effectively began with an air campaign nearly a year before the March 2003 invasion and months before Congressional approval for the use of force
  • The administration’s widespread effort to crush dissent and manipulated information that would counter its justification for war
  • The lack of planning for the war’s aftermath and a fundamental lack of understanding of the Iraqi society
From cherry-picked intelligence to a non-existent plan to win the peace; from no-bid contracts for reconstruction to character assassination for anyone who dares to question the premises of the war—the Bush administration has perpetrated what is by any measure one of the most egregious foreign policy misstep in our history.
A majority of the American people now believes that the president intentionally misled our nation into war, and nearly half say he should be impeached if that assertion can be proven. The only question that remains is: will he and his administration be held accountable?
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  1. Bush lied to congress and the American public about the reasons for invading Iraq.
  2. Bush conducted illegal wiretaps of American citizens.
  3. Bush violated the Geneva Convention by torturing prisoners of war.
  4. Bush violated international law by invading a sovereign country for illegal purposes.
  5. Bush held prisoners without formal charges and without legal representation.
  6. Bush illegally used government funds for domestic political propaganda related to the administration's Medicare package, paying commentator Armstrong Williams, etc
  7. Bush used uniformed military personnel for Republican party political purposes.
  8. Bush was negligent in his slow response to help victims of Hurricane Katrina.
  9. Bush shows contempt towards our constitution and our democratic ideals.
  10. Bush lied about the fish
The Downing Street "Memo" is actually the minutes of a meeting, transcribed during a gathering of many of the British Prime Minister's senior ministers on July 23, 2002. Published by The Sunday Times on May 1, 2005 this document was the first hard evidence from within the UK or US governments that exposed the truth about how the Iraq war began.
Since that time, much more information has come to light through leaks of secret government documents and the accounts of an increasing number of people who have witnessed the administration’s wrongdoing firsthand.
There is now in the public record a large body of evidence that vividly illustrates:
  • Bush’s long standing intent to invade Iraq
  • Bush’s willingness to provoke Saddam(in a variety of ways) into providing a pretext for war
  • The fact that the war effectively began with an air campaign nearly a year before the March 2003 invasion and months before Congressional approval for the use of force
  • The administration’s widespread effort to crush dissent and manipulated information that would counter its justification for war
  • The lack of planning for the war’s aftermath and a fundamental lack of understanding of the Iraqi society
From cherry-picked intelligence to a non-existent plan to win the peace; from no-bid contracts for reconstruction to character assassination for anyone who dares to question the premises of the war—the Bush administration has perpetrated what is by any measure one of the most egregious foreign policy misstep in our history.
A majority of the American people now believes that the president intentionally misled our nation into war, and nearly half say he should be impeached if that assertion can be proven. The only question that remains is: will he and his administration be held accountable?
This is old stuff---you got nothing new!!
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Jamwadmag, I challenge you to defend some of those actions listed. The republicans of yesteryear wouldn't recognize the republicans of today. Are you republicans really still backing this president ? Why? Because of ego? Because you cant admit he may be a big mistake ? Are you so proud that you will allow your own ego to come before the lives of troops in Iraq ? Iraq is not the correct war. The correct war lies with Iran, Pakistan, Afganistan, possibly N Korea. Bush will not change course, ever, no matter what. He will have to be removed from power. Theres having pride in your political party and having pride in your country and doing whats right. Not only will Bush have to be removed, but also Cheney as he would take over if Bush was spanked and sent to his room to pout. That would leave us with Pelosi untill the elections.
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Jamwadmag, I challenge you to defend some of those actions listed. The republicans of yesteryear wouldn't recognize the republicans of today. Are you republicans really still backing this president ? Why? Because of ego? Because you cant admit he may be a big mistake ? Are you so proud that you will allow your own ego to come before the lives of troops in Iraq ? Iraq is not the correct war. The correct war lies with Iran, Pakistan, Afganistan, possibly N Korea. Bush will not change course, ever, no matter what. He will have to be removed from power. Theres having pride in your political party and having pride in your country and doing whats right. Not only will Bush have to be removed, but also Cheney as he would take over if Bush was spanked and sent to his room to pout. That would leave us with Pelosi untill the elections.
....you'll find all the arguments you'd ever want---it's ALL been said B4!!
And if you want to talk 'ego,' think yours may be too big telling everyone what to believe .....try SEARCH...wear yourself out....
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Ummm, I'm saying look at the FACTS. Facts don't lie. Now, I repeat my challenge for you to defend at least a few of those statements. And to do it without trying to blame a Clinton.
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  1. Bush lied to congress and the American public about the reasons for invading Iraq.
Iraq: What Did Congress Know, And When?
November 19, 2005
Bush says Congress had the same (faulty) intelligence he did. Howard Dean says intelligence was "corrupted." We give facts.
Summary
The President says Democrats in Congress "had access to the same intelligence" he did before the Iraq war, but some Democrats deny it."That was not true," says Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean. "He withheld some intelligence. . . . The intelligence was corrupted."

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Nice try, Dem's got caught voting for something and now want to change their minds.
  1. Bush conducted illegal wiretaps of American citizens
On the Legality of the NSA Electronic Intercept Program
It has been widely suggested that the NSA electronic intercept program that has been carried out by the Bush administration for the last three years is, or may be, illegal. The New York Times and other media outlets have implied, without saying outright, that the program is unconstitutional or otherwise improper. The Democrats have picked the ball up and run with it; the Democratic National Committee sent out an email yesterday that characterized the program as "illegal surveillance" constituting an "explosive scandal."

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  1. Bush violated the Geneva Convention by torturing prisoners of war.
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Congress passed it, Bush signed it.


  1. Bush violated international law by invading a sovereign country for illegal purposes.
  2. Bush held prisoners without formal charges and without legal representation.
  3. Bush illegally used government funds for domestic political propaganda related to the administration's Medicare package, paying commentator Armstrong Williams, etc
  4. Bush used uniformed military personnel for Republican party political purposes.
  5. Bush was negligent in his slow response to help victims of Hurricane Katrina.
  6. Bush shows contempt towards our constitution and our democratic ideals.
  7. Bush lied about the fish
The Downing Street "Memo" is actually the minutes of a meeting, transcribed during a gathering of many of the British Prime Minister's senior ministers on July 23, 2002. Published by The Sunday Times on May 1, 2005 this document was the first hard evidence from within the UK or US governments that exposed the truth about how the Iraq war began.
Since that time, much more information has come to light through leaks of secret government documents and the accounts of an increasing number of people who have witnessed the administration’s wrongdoing firsthand.
There is now in the public record a large body of evidence that vividly illustrates:
  • Bush’s long standing intent to invade Iraq
  • Bush’s willingness to provoke Saddam(in a variety of ways) into providing a pretext for war
  • The fact that the war effectively began with an air campaign nearly a year before the March 2003 invasion and months before Congressional approval for the use of force
  • The administration’s widespread effort to crush dissent and manipulated information that would counter its justification for war
  • The lack of planning for the war’s aftermath and a fundamental lack of understanding of the Iraqi society
From cherry-picked intelligence to a non-existent plan to win the peace; from no-bid contracts for reconstruction to character assassination for anyone who dares to question the premises of the war—the Bush administration has perpetrated what is by any measure one of the most egregious foreign policy misstep in our history.
A majority of the American people now believes that the president intentionally misled our nation into war, and nearly half say he should be impeached if that assertion can be proven. The only question that remains is: will he and his administration be held accountable?
I'll bust the rest of this tomorrow.....................
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Jamwadmag, I challenge you to defend some of those actions listed. The republicans of yesteryear wouldn't recognize the republicans of today. Are you republicans really still backing this president ? Why? Because of ego? Because you cant admit he may be a big mistake ? Are you so proud that you will allow your own ego to come before the lives of troops in Iraq ? Iraq is not the correct war. The correct war lies with Iran, Pakistan, Afganistan, possibly N Korea. Bush will not change course, ever, no matter what. He will have to be removed from power. Theres having pride in your political party and having pride in your country and doing whats right. Not only will Bush have to be removed, but also Cheney as he would take over if Bush was spanked and sent to his room to pout. That would leave us with Pelosi untill the elections.
Allow me to correct you on this. There is no correct War. And only one correct reason to fight one. There is alot of doubt even about Osama's connection to 9/11. Proof: FBI's 10 most wanted. Not one mention of 9/11, New York City, or anything on American soil.
Getting our troops home yesterday is the only correct decision that needs to be made by Bush, his cronies, and this so-called congress. There is a bigger picture in this whole thing. And I dont think that most people can see it.
It has to do with Globalization, world markets, outsourcing/insourcing cheap labor, toll roads, SSP, wars in countries that are not a threat to us but hold huge deposits of oil, poison food from China, and as reported today on Dobbs, the "ALL MIGHTY DOLLAR" is not so mighty any more. The world is turing to EURO's, and leaving the dollar in the dirt. The stock market has been over inflated for too long. The housing market is about to go bust. All this talk about a robust econemy ws just as much lies, as WMD's.
Stop, step back, and look around you very carefully. Taxes are going through the roof. Cigarette, gas, deisel, energy, phone, school, property, etc etc etc. No taxes for 80% of the United States have gone down. Nothing has gone down except the value of the Dollar.
Even before we invaded Iraq, when the sanctions were over, Saddam was going to start trading his oil in euro's.
This country is getting close to a depression. It will not be an over night affair. Though it may happen overnight. The media, we all know is bought and sold. Allen Greenspan was recently replaced.
All these things add up to something. You put the pieces together.
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Bush had the same info as congress??
pure bull####!!
it is a known fact that the president gets way more intel than anyone in the u.s. government. this was nothing more than bush blowing smoke up everybody's ### as usual. did congress have intel? yes!
did bush have more? of course!! Bush played politics with 9/11 than anyone else on the planet!! he used the peoples fear to start a war for the love of dear ol' dad!!
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Allow me to correct you on this. There is no correct War. And only one correct reason to fight one. There is alot of doubt even about Osama's connection to 9/11. Proof: FBI's 10 most wanted. Not one mention of 9/11, New York City, or anything on American soil.
Future indictments may be handed down as various investigations proceed in connection to other terrorist incidents, for example, the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm

Getting our troops home yesterday is the only correct decision that needs to be made by Bush, his cronies, and this so-called congress. There is a bigger picture in this whole thing. And I dont think that most people can see it.
It has to do with Globalization,
What is your specific gripe about Globalization?

world markets, outsourcing/insourcing cheap labor, toll roads, SSP, wars in countries that are not a threat to us but hold huge deposits of oil,

poison food from China,
And what happened to the guy in Charge in China?

and as reported today on Dobbs, the "ALL MIGHTY DOLLAR" is not so mighty any more. The world is turing to EURO's, and leaving the dollar in the dirt.
Now it is George Bush's fault that the ECB keeps raising rates?
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The stock market has been over inflated for too long. The housing market is about to go bust. All this talk about a robust econemy ws just as much lies, as WMD's.

Stop, step back, and look around you very carefully. Taxes are going through the roof. Cigarette, gas, deisel, energy, phone, school, property, etc etc etc. No taxes for 80% of the United States have gone down. Nothing has gone down except the value of the Dollar.

Want to go back to 1954's tax rates?

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Even before we invaded Iraq, when the sanctions were over, Saddam was going to start trading his oil in euro's.
As is Iran, Some for China, Some for Russia, that only makes economic sense
This country is getting close to a depression.
Please supply credible reseach to back this claim.
It will not be an over night affair. Though it may happen overnight. The media, we all know is bought and sold. Allen Greenspan was recently replaced.
Dude, he was 79 and retired, not "replaced"

All these things add up to something. You put the pieces together.
They add up to you being a typical liberal, oh no, I can't be happy......LOL
Hate Bush, Hate Bush, Hate Bush, other than that, you got nothing.
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Thats a good way to spin things, but the only credible thing you said on the whole post was about bin laden and 9/11. But that was recently posted after 6/06 after a reporter called the FBI and asked why he wasn't wanted for 9/11. The response he got at the time was that "They didn't have enough evidence to link bin laden to 9/11"

They were just covering their butts.

On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”

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