Being "Anti-War" is a stereotype that gives people a false reputation. As in, when a NEOCON calls someone "Anti-War", they mean that person is unpatriotic, and are against our troops.
But, to most normal people, given the true definition, of Anti-war, it means that person doesn't believe that going to war is a good thing unless it's absolutely necessary. They don't like the fact that their soldiers could be killed. Our tax dollars could be spent uselessly. Especially if there was another solution.
We all know that going into Iraq, was not the only solution. Anti-War people have been branded in the past for being traitors. But now, being "Anti-War" is the right way to be. Considering what we have learned about Iraq, Bush and his people.
The solution to Iraq would have been to just leave them alone. They were not a threat. Al-queda was not in Iraq. Iraq did not have a nuclear program. And didn't have WMD's. The only threat Saddam posed was trading his Oil in Euro's. And would have a adverse effect on the American Dollar if other countries followed suit.
The adverse effect that would have happened, is going to happen any way. As the Yen, and the Euro gains in strength on the World Market, the Dollar value continues to decline.
With hundreds of Billions of Dollars borrowed and spent on the Iraqi Occupation, oil subsidies, and military contractors, leaves very little for the American economy.
Which means, that they either have to borrow more, or print more. We all know they are not supposed to just print money without something to back it. Gold is no longer used to back the value of American money, so then our credit is used. But after all thats happening to the economy, our credit rating is slumping.
What does this mean for us? With the push for a war with Iran, and our economy on the verge of a collapse. How will sustain ourselves?
Borrow more money? Print more money, which lessens the value of the money printed, both old and new. Either way, it's an economic disaster.
Both Republicans and Democrats agree. Congress and the President has spent more money than we can afford. And though they blame each other, the blunt of the downturn falls on us. The citizens who paid for the congress and president to get us into this situation. Thats worse than paying to drive on a toll road in Chicago in a 5 mile back up. As in "You paid for the traffic jam". Folks, we paid for the traffic jam.

We can't afford anymore Iraq, Iran, or a national health care system. We are so far in debt to other countries and the World bank, that even helping the people in southern California will be a struggle.

Who ever you support in 08. Please be sure you not only check out the presidential candidates, but also the ones running for congress, and your local and state legislature. They need to be "REAL" Conservatives, and not NEOCONS. They don't need to support things that we can't afford. As in amnesty for Illegals, and a health care system for them.

America will go into a depression if nothing changes.

At least try and speak about things you know a little something about. I know Ron Paul, and you sir, are no Ron Paul.

Hardhead, I am going to give you a response from an actual veteran of the Iraq war. One that fits your vile spew at the top of this page. So pay attention and read the whole thing. Oh, and unlike you I will add the link of that which I copy and paste....

Here goes....

"The MDG Answer to the Anti-War Crowd

To all those who are against this war, for whatever reason, I would like to say to you: Don't patronize me. All you who say "I support the troops, but not the war." are being very hypocritical. It makes no sense at all. You can't mix oil and water. In order to support the troops, you have to support the mission they are executing. Simply not possible.

For those whose vitriolic and malignant opinions, boisterously shouted at veterans, military members and supporters of the cause, remember that the freedom you abuse was paid for by the blood of men and women who, in all reality, were and/or are BETTER people than you. Yep, I said it. Some of you are morally bankrupt individuals, who spew bitter anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-establishment bile, and wallow in your self-righteous arrogance that somehow you are better than the people who give you the freedom to speak.

I would also say that the more extreme anti-war crowd is participating in seditious acts. Sedition is defined under United States Code, Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 115, Section 2388, as;

Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully makes or conveys false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States or to promote the success of its enemies; or

Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or willfully obstructs the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, to the injury of the service or the United States, or attempts to do so-

The Code Pink protests, Fred Phelps and his ilk, and everyone else who seeks to demean and distress the American Fighting Man, in my eyes, is guilty of sedition. Others, who give open, frank, and civil and based argument are not, in my opinion, seditious. Dissent, within bounds of law, is actually encouraged in our system, because without dissent, what happens to choice?? To freedom??

People who carry signs and shout slogans such as "You were maimed for a lie" Are maliciously seditious. Their aim is to break the morale of the Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, and Coast Guardsmen who have sweated, toiled and bled for them.

If you want to abuse the freedoms I have fought for, then be prepared to reap the consequences. Don't you dare hide behind the first amendment, squealing about how it is your 'right' to insult warriors and aid the enemy through word. The pen is mightier than the sword in some cases, and you further the agenda of the human scum who would like nothing better to blast you into chunks of human gore, sever your head from your body, or burn you alive.

As others have said before me, such as John Stuart Mill, those who do not believe in the cause of freedom are loathsome creatures. If you don't appreciate the freedoms you have been gifted, leave. Go somewhere else. The squandering of freedom is a vile crime, a crime against yourselves principally, and a slap in the face to the people who believe in its worth. You are stealing my blood with your lies. Go back to your dark holes and brood, for you are evil men, as evil as the ones we fight."


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j-mac

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"IT HAS been seen that the dangers incident to a representative democracy are of two kinds: danger of a low grade of intelligence in the representative body, and in the popular opinion which controls it; and danger of class legislation on the part of the numerical majority, these being all composed of the same class."

John Stuart Mill

Another brainwashed soldier, or someone who writes for Rush Limbaugh.
No one is saying anything bad about the troops. But the media they get over there isn't the same as what we get.
No one can tell me that I'm not supportive of the troops. And there is a difference in supporting the troops, and NOT supporting the leadership that put them into Iraq. Thats just stupid to even insinuate something that absurd as to say that you can't support the troops if you don't support the president. For gods sake, thats what they are fighing for. Freedom, the constitution and the bill of rights which gives us not only the freedom of speech. But the freedom to disagree with the leadership.
This brainwashed soldier seems to believe in authoritarianism, or some form of communism in which we shouldn't dissagree with Bush because he is a nutt case.
Bush is a raving looney. And has sent almost 4,000 troops to their death from not only invading a soveriegn country for no reason, but putting them there without the proper number of troops or body armour. He had no exit strategy to boot.
So I will support the troops, and I will refuse to support the spoiled brat who wanted to play army and send the troops there.
Every single day of my life.
Besides, if I'm so wrong, then why does Ron Paul have more military contributions from sevice men, than any other candidate?

God Bless America, Support our troops, secure our borders, and Impeach that little commi coward Bush.

You railed when Limbaugh was talking about people that the anti war left picked up on like Jessie MacBeth who LIED about even being a solider, and now you say that a soldier that give his opinion that disagrees with what you want to hear as "brainwashed?" You should be ashamed sir.



You have no idea what you are talking about. They get the very same thing we watch and hear.


I sure can....From what I read from you, you hope for their defeat.



Then you have little to no idea what support even means then.



Disagree with policy? Sure....Disagree with their success? NO SIR!



So i your world the soldier is a nut case if he doesn't mutiny?


Please give us a warning of overused talking points to be used here or something....This is mindless.



Again, mindless spew....Hatred....Of little use.



Out to hijack another thread with a Paul for Prez message? Stick to topic here, you started it.....


Yes, by all means, give it a go......This is among the most glaring example of ignorance about what constitutes grounds for impeachment I have ever read....Bravo hrdman.....


j-mac

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"IT HAS been seen that the dangers incident to a representative democracy are of two kinds: danger of a low grade of intelligence in the representative body, and in the popular opinion which controls it; and danger of class legislation on the part of the numerical majority, these being all composed of the same class."

John Stuart Mill

So we both agree then, Bush should be impeached........Thank you.

I guess that cancels out the pages before your conceded defeat in that discussion then....Ok....



So what! Who the **** is he? A second rate Rush wannabe with no listenership here in the states, and you think our troops want to hear his drivel? Look, Rush was banned through out the Clinton term from AFR, and only has one hour now. And he has the largest draw in America by all others put together....So Boo Hoo for Ed....



No military solution? Except for the one that is working right now huh?




I see your ribbon, and raise you volunteering at Walter Reed on Sunday's....A ribbon....pfft!



You have a real disconnect going on here.....Look, if the bad travels up hill to the CIC, so does the success.....



Ummmm....Read it again...the wife opened up the article, then posted a letter from her husband....As for the soldiers and brainwashing....you never served did you?



Wanna trade them? I bet I can find more, and more often used....



Who are you? Pee Wee Herman?


Sorry, debunked again....Read this....

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Nope, not even close...But I would sure like to see demo's try it.....

j-mac

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"IT HAS been seen that the dangers incident to a representative democracy are of two kinds: danger of a low grade of intelligence in the representative body, and in the popular opinion which controls it; and danger of class legislation on the part of the numerical majority, these being all composed of the same class."

John Stuart Mill

I stand with 70% of Americans who are tired of both sides of the political party's trying to make people believe they are right. When neither side has done anything good. Especially Bush.

This may help you a great deal hrdman....I offer this in friendship..

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"IT HAS been seen that the dangers incident to a representative democracy are of two kinds: danger of a low grade of intelligence in the representative body, and in the popular opinion which controls it; and danger of class legislation on the part of the numerical majority, these being all composed of the same class."

John Stuart Mill

Are you offering to pay for my trip?