NEW Dems Bill would remove "JOBS MAGNET" for illegals - Truckers' Trucking Forum

roadkill439342 · **^ Top** #1 11.06.2007

DEAR OPPONENTS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION ....

.... AND SUPPORTERS OF ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT & SELF-DEPORTATION,

Hard on the heels of your tremendous defeat of the DREAM Act amnesty in the Senate last week, we have our best chance yet in this Democratic-controlled Congress for improving enforcement against illegal immigration.

(Some email services failed to deliver my analysis of our amnesty victory, and many of your computer's blocked the analysis from getting into your in-box, we are learning. You can read the analysis at: [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. )

North Carolina Democratic Representative Heath Shuler will soon be introducing a great immigration enforcement bill:

The SAVE ACT (Secure America with Verification and Enforcement)

This bill (it will have no bill number until introduced) is far more than a gesture to show that Shuler is on the side of the American workers.

Congressman Shuler appears to be deadly serious about getting this bill enacted and removing the jobs magnet for illegal immigration. He is moving the ball on this bill a whole lot better than he did as an NFL quarterback, completing passes to fellow Representatives every day as he gets their signature as co-sponsors on the floor of the House.

He is fighting for immigration rationality and the rule of law with the kind of winning confidence he showed in college when he was runnerup for the Heisman Trophy.

NumbersUSA will make its formal endorsement of this bill later today.

We believe this bill with its bi-partisan support but originating on the Democratic side of the House is just the vehicle to give us a chance to actually pass immigration legislation through a Democratic-controlled Congress that would! signifi cantly improve the lives of most Americans.

REQUIRES EVERY EMPLOYER TO USE
ELECTRONIC VERIFICATION SYSTEM ON EVERY EMPLOYEE

The SAVE Act does a lot of things to protect our borders and to help with interior enforcement. (We'll provide you with a section-by-section analysis as soon as the bill is formally introduced.)

But the section that I applaud the most has to do with workplace verification. We believe that jobs are the main reason illegal aliens come here. Drying them up would seriously slow the flow of new illegal aliens. And it would start to drive perhaps as many as a million already-settled illegal aliens back home each year.

The SAVE Act would eventually require every employee in America to go through the E-Verify system. This internet system provides employers with an inexpensive, quick, and accurate way to verify that employees are not illegal aliens. The rules for use are such that no employee or employer suffers if there is a mistake in the system because there is ample time to correct errors on the employee's side and on the government's side.

The SAVE Act would ...

... require during Year 1 that all government agencies, government contractors, plus all businesses with more than 250 employees run all NEW hires through E-Verify.

... require during Year 2 that all businesses with 100 or more employees use E-Verify for new hires.

... require during Year 3 that all businesses with more than 20 employees use E-Verify for new hires.

... during Year 4 add businesses with fewer than 20 employees so that all businesses use E-Verify for new hires.

... also during Year 4 require all businessese to run all their previous hires through E-Verify.

The four-year phase-in is to give the government more room for massive expansion of its current! system. It also allows the government to work out kinks before it is required for use by small businesses which often lack the personnel to easily deal with new procedures.

During the first three years, new illegal aliens and currently settled ones who lose their jobs will find fewer and fewer places where they can seek work.

But during those first three years, current illegal aliens who stayed in the same job would not be affected by the expanding use of E-Verify.

In the fourth year, however, all of those illegal workers would be run through E-Verify. If their Social Security number, name and a couple more details didn't match -- and they had no excuse -- they would lose their jobs.

NumbersUSA has always maintained that very few businesses actually want to hire illegal aliens. And we believe that of the minority of businesses that do hire illegal aliens, most do so without knowing it or do so because they feel forced to do it to keep from being run out of business by competitors who ARE hiring illegal aliens.

If we give businesses a tool they can rely on, and assure them that their competitors won't get by with hiring illegals, very few illegal aliens will get hired anywhere.

There aren't enough odd-jobs and off-the-books jobs in the underground economy to soak up the estimated 7 million illegal workers in the country. Most illegal aliens will no longer find enough work to support them and their dependents, and most of them will eventually give up their lives of illegality and go home -- ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT & SELF-DEPORTATION.

FIRST-TIME PROVISIONS TO CATCH
ILLEGAL ALIENS USING IDENTITY THEFT

All of us inside and outside government who have lauded E-Verify under its different names the last decade have acknowledged that it doesn't identify all illegal aliens.

It works with t! he major ity of illegal aliens who are making up Social Security numbers and names when they apply for a job.

But if an illegal alien has paid the money to steal the identity of an American, or a legally present foreign national, E-Verify passes them through.

The Shuler bill is the first to address this problem and solve it.

It creates a system of detecting when the same identity is being used to hold down more jobs than are credible. In some cases, the same identity is being used by hundreds of people in hundreds of workplaces. The Shuler bill creates a notification system that roots out this fraud. We'll describe this in more detail in a later alert.

A CHANCE FOR HOUSE DEMOCRATS TO STAND ON SIDE OF AMERICAN WORKERS -- AND AGAINST OUTLAW COMPANIES HIRING ILLEGAL ALIENS

We are ecstatic to see so many Democrats considering signing on to the toughest workplace verification language ever proposed in Congress.

In the Senate, the Democrats are overwhelmingly leaders for open borders and providing unscrupulous businesses with massive flows of foreign labor. But Shuler is out to prove that Democrats in the U.S. House stand by American workers.

I'm making such a big deal about this bill because many commentators since Democrats took control of Congress last November have said it will be impossible to move an enforcement-only bill any sooner than 2009.

If we are to have any chance at all, the vehicle must be a Democratic vehicle. The SAVE Act is.

But we need your help to push your Democratic Representative (if you have one) to sign up. Wouldn't it be wonderful if you could persuade 50 Democrats to be original co-sponsors of this bill?

WILL REPUBLICANS PUT THE PUBLIC GOOD
AHEAD OF PARTISAN PARTY POLITICS?

The success of this Democratic-led bill will be dependent upon Republicans massively joining it as well! .
If you have a Republican Representative, will he/she be willing to sign onto a Democratic originated bill?

We need your help to push Republicans to set partisanship aside and help move this bill to a vote on the House floor.

WATCH FOR FAX ALERTS -- MAKE SOME PHONE CALLS

We'll be putting up a fax that provides what your own U.S. Representative needs to hear right now regarding the Shuler bill.

Please watch for an Alert from us that will provide a link to that fax.

You may want to go ahead and make a phone call to your Representative today and ask him/her to please co-sponsor Heath Shuler's SAVE Act to take away the job magnet for illegal immigration.

PHONE THE CAPITOL SWITCHBOARD AT:
202-224-3121

For your call to your own Representative today, just have a short, low-key conversation.

Tell him/her about how excited you are to hear an outline of the SAVE Act and how important it is for Congress to take away the jobs magnet for illegal immigration. And ask him/her to call Rep. Shuler's office to ask about signing the bill as an original co-sponsor.

The fact is that the only way Democratic Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California will allow an enforcement bill to come to a vote is if she is under pressure from scores of Democrats having signed on to co-sponsor this legislation.

We proved we are strong enough to stop amnesties repeatedly this year.

But can we prove we are strong enough to pass something that actually improves life in the United States?

OTHER ITEMS IN THE BILL

Here are some other things the SAVE Act would do:

Increases Customs and Border Patrol agents by 8,000, utilizes new technology and fencing to secure the border, and expands specialized enforcement programs, such as the Tunnel Task Force

Outlines provisions for recruitment of new agents and personnel through bonuses, student loan repayments, and other financial incentives

Creates a pilot program to increase aerial surveillance, satellite, and equipment sharing between the Department of Homeland Security and the Dept. of Defense to reduce costs and save taxpayer money

Increases investigative abilities of ICE by employing more agents and increasing cooperation between ICE and state and local law enforcement, including sharing personnel, information, and equipment

Creates new infrastructure for the detention, processing and removal of illegal aliens by increasing detention facility capacity, and streamlining judicial processes

Implements a targeted media campaign to inform illegal aliens of new laws and penalties, while also informing employers of penalties for hiring illegal immigrants

Kalamity Jane · **^ Top** #2 11.06.2007

Well, sounds good...has anyone here had any experience with E-Verify? I'm assuming this would be under the Homeland Security Agency...I'm not impressed with this governments ability to properly oversee or manage programs etc.

I still think that we are in this mess due to lack of attention since the 80's and I have read that just talking about enforcing the laws on the books has already initiated a move south by those lacking legal documents. Enforcement is needed, with or without a new bill.

What, if anything, is being done about those here illegally who produce children? Are the children given citizenship?

KJ

Big Duker · **^ Top** #3 11.06.2007

Their children are referred to as "anchor babies". They are automatically US citizens if the are born here regardless of parents being illegal. They know quite well that it is harder to deport them if they have kids and play it for all it is worth. This law needs to be changed, but it is going to be very hard to do. There are plenty of sob sisters out there who will cry about "how cruel it is to take it out on the children."

:biggrin_2 5518:

Kalamity Jane · **^ Top** #4 11.06.2007

Yes that was my point...the law needs to be amended..I feel that Parents need to assume responsibility for putting themselves and their children in such a spot.

KJ

Ronnocomot · **^ Top** #5 11.06.2007

If mom and dad are breaking the law, I think this should apply.

Birthright citizenship in the United States of America
Under the [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. 's guarantee of birthright citizenship, any person born within the [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. and subject to its jurisdiction is automatically a [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. , regardless of the legal status or the citizenship of that individual’s mother or father. Children born to foreign diplomats or to hostile enemy forces or born on U.S. territory while it is under the control of a foreign power are not considered subject to U.S. jurisdiction and therefore are not citizens at birth. Throughout the history of the United States, the fundamental legal principle governing citizenship has been that birth within the territorial limits of the United States confers United States citizenship.[LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link.

[LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link.

Kalamity Jane · **^ Top** #6 11.06.2007

The only reason it has become an 'issue' is because it is being used as a reason for amnesty...if I understand your post correctly you're saying that if someone is here, undocumented, and children are born, the children are citizens..( as I knew...anyone born within the United States is a citizen) would we assume that if the parents are deported they take their children with them? The fact that a child is born here and is consequently a citizen doesn't change if that child goes back with their Parents to their country and applies within legal channels..but the 'noise' about our being heartless bigots will continue.

KJ

roadkill439342 · **^ Top** #7 11.07.2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalamity Jane

Well, sounds good...has anyone here had any experience with E-Verify? I'm assuming this would be under the Homeland Security Agency...I'm not impressed with this governments ability to properly oversee or manage programs etc.

I still think that we are in this mess due to lack of attention since the 80's and I have read that just talking about enforcing the laws on the books has already initiated a move south by those lacking legal documents. Enforcement is needed, with or without a new bill.

What, if anything, is being done about those here illegally who produce children? Are the children given citizenship?

KJ

Not only are some of them moving south, but they have also been flooding the northern border, and Windsor has asked for money from Quebec to house and feed the illegals.
That's REAL funny. If an American moved into Canada, with-out a job or money, they are shown the border.

raindancer · **^ Top** #8 02.14.2008

Just called 2 senators,a rep, and the governors office also called three drivers who are going to call other drivers. Lets make this happen!!!

roadkill439342 · **^ Top** #9 02.14.2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by raindancer

Just called 2 senators,a rep, and the governors office also called three drivers who are going to call other drivers. Lets make this happen!!!

I am already a contributing member to NUMBERSUSA, and I send faxes to my Congressmen and Senators quite frequently.

Native Dancer · **^ Top** #10 02.14.2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by roadkill439342

Not only are some of them moving south, but they have also been flooding the northern border, and Windsor has asked for money from Quebec to house and feed the illegals.
That's REAL funny. If an American moved into Canada, with-out a job or money, they are shown the border.

Why is Windsor asking Quebec for money?

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes	Rate This Thread
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode	Rate This Thread:

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Trucker Forum	Replies	Last Post
"1" For English; "2" For Spanish: HOW MUCH INCONVENIENCE MUST WE TOLERATE???	RiggerModus	Politics	209	08.04.2009 07.17 PM
Is there a "10" code for "When will you reach your destination?"	fiddlemama	Questions To Truckers From The General Public	11	12.03.2007 08.34 PM
Dems say Bush"lied" about Iraq.....	KD5AXG	Politics	11	06.03.2007 08.38 AM

Truckers' Trucking Forum/Message Board - The Premiere Truck Driver Forum

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)