I wouldn't expect too much from the other side of the arguement though.

The wind was blowing from a different direction then...Clinton was in office for most of these statements...for the others, it was very close post 9/11 and the good ol Dems were still thinking with their emotions fully engaged, not to mention that the polls of their own party faithful were completely in agreement with the idea that there WERE WMD in Iraq and something had to be done about the "Mad Man" at the helm of that country. In the Dems own words...he posed a threat.

After all, this is "Their own hammer"...and you know that NOBODY likes to get hit with their own hammer.

__________________
Big Red



Freedom wasn't won with a registered gun.

According to U.N. International Conventions "the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."

Judaism is the religion of the Jewish people, based on principles and ethics embodied in the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) and the Talmud

A Jew is a member of the Jewish people, an ethnoreligious group originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the ancient Middle East The ethnicity and the religion of Judaism the traditional faith of the Jewish nation, are strongly interrelated,

International Inspectors 2, Dick Cheney 0


On March 7, 2003, [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. chief Mohammed ElBaradei said that "after three months of intrusive inspections, we have to date found [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapons program in Iraq." Nine days later, Vice President Dick Cheney answered that "we believe he has, in fact, [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. . I think Mr. ElBaradei frankly is wrong. And I think if you look at the track record of the International Atomic Energy Agency... they have consistently underestimated or missed what it was Saddam Hussein was doing. I don’t have any reason to believe they’re any more valid this time than they’ve been in the past."

On October 28, 2007, ElBaradei told CNN that "[LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. there is a parallel, ongoing, active nuclear weapon program." Five days later, Vice President Dick Cheney was painting a picture of a future in which"Iran is sort of set loose, if you will, in that part of the world with [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. , prepared to be used against other nations in the region, or to dominate that part of the globe, and to threaten not only the United States but many of our friends and allies out there, as well."


Now, Iran's civilian nuclear program continues. And the National Intelligence Estimate can't say with 100% certainty that Tehran hasn't restarted its weapons efforts. But still, if you're keeping score at home, that's IAEA 2, Dick Cheney 0.
[LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link.
~~~~~~

How is a discussion racism? How is anyone being prevented from exercising their rights? Thanks for the definition Ronno.

KJ

PARIS, Dec. 4 — The [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. on Tuesday publicly embraced the new American intelligence assessment stating that [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. had halted its nuclear weapons effort, but in truth the agency is taking a more cautious approach in drawing conclusions about Iran’s nuclear program.

A report last month by Mohamed ElBaradei, the international agency’s leader, was less categorical than the American finding.

The International Atomic Energy Agency says it has "outstanding issues" about Iran’s nuclear enrichment complex in Natanz.


“To be frank, we are more skeptical,” a senior official close to the agency said. “We don’t buy the American analysis 100 percent. We are not that generous with Iran.”
The official called the American assertion that Iran had “halted” its weapons program in 2003 “somewhat surprising.”



[LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link.

And they are glad to hear the war drums calm...don't forget that in 2003 Iran had a couple of good reasons to stop their weapons program...One, so we wouldn't have a reason to attack them and two, Saddam wasn't a threat. Saddam is the main reason Iran started their nuclear weapons program to begin with. Not, Israel.

Also, don't forget after the fall of Saddam, Iran presented the US with a 'grand bargain' to stop terrorism, make their nuclear program transparent and recognize the Arab Peace Treaty. Rice and Bush dismissed it.

KJ

Thats a pretty convoluted post It looks to me like you really had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to equate anti-Zionism and anti-Israelism with racism. Last I heard Judaism was a religion, whose adherents I respect. If Israelis claim they have a "Jewish nation", which as we know, they do, then aren't they in fact racists? Since, as we know, these pigs are not even descended from Biblical Jews, aren't they non- Semites? Since they persecute and discriminate against Palestinians who ARE true Semites, doesn't that make them the original ANTI-Semites?
Little logic goes a long way, huh?
It was all truly mind-boggling. How could anyone claim that Israel is not a racist state? It is even called the Jewish state of Israel. It is a state for one religion and the founders of Zionism simply intended for such a homogenous state. Racism is defined as:
1) The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2) Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
More water is given to Jewish citizens than to Palestinians; jobs are more plentiful for Jewish citizens than Israeli Palestinians; Jewish citizens are not subjected to torture while in prison; only Israeli citizens and illegal Jewish settlers drive with yellow license plates, which allow them freedom to travel throughout the Holy Land; non-Jewish Israelis cannot buy or lease land in Israel; Israel's policies have involved planning regulations prohibiting Palestinian building on 40 percent of Gaza, 70 percent of the West Bank and 80 percent of East Jerusalem. While restricting Palestinian development, Israel builds housing for its people in the occupied territories.
According to an Amnesty International report, released shortly before the conference: "prejudice against Palestinian citizens of Israel is widespread in the criminal justice system, both in the courts and law enforcement methods." How can we forget the use of live ammunition, which killed 13 Israeli Palestinians last fall? Live ammunition was not used on Jewish rioters.
A few years ago, the Israeli government was shown to have a 70:30 policy in the City of Jerusalem which to maintain a 70 percent Jewish population over 29 percent Muslim and 1 percent Christian minorities. This has been accomplished through home demolitions, denial of building permits, ID card confiscations, and residency revocations.
Is their any question as to whether these would be considered racist policies in other regions of the world?
A few years back a survey in the Israeli daily newspaper Yedioth Ahranoth showed that the majority of Israeli teens believe that Palestinians do not deserve the same rights as them. One shudders to think what they are learning from their parents.
One would think that more than most individuals, Jews who survived the Holocaust or descended from victims and survivors would be among the greatest teachers of tolerance. Not as it pertains to Palestinians.
Here lies another of the great tragedies associated with the Palestinians: they have been expected to pay the price for the ills of the Europeans and Americans - the perpetrators and enablers of the Jewish Holocaust.
For decades we have seen the West try to wipe away its sins on the backs of Palestinians: often turning history upside down, or trying to solve problems by creating other problems. For example, the West lead in formulating the U.N. Partition Plan of 1947 which apportioned 55 percent of British Mandate Palestine to the Jewish community which owned less than 10 percent of the land, and it was American F-16 jet fighters and Apache helicopters that Israel has used in putting down the intifada.
The U.N. conference was yet another extension of these amelioration tactics. When does it stop? And when do these same countries begin to look within themselves and realize that just as they enabled the Jewish Holocaust, so they have and continue to enable another catastrophe?
It is understandable that the term "racist" bothers Israelis. Nobody wants to be called a racist, particularly those who were forced to wear patches to identify them in Nazi Germany. But the policies Israel pursues are exactly this.
If it doesn't like the well-deserved label, then it should stop its racist practices.
As to the West, which seems to suffer from the endless guilt and fear of the label "anti-Semitic," it is time to ask how it is advancing justice by refusing to call a spade a spade?
How many Palestinians have to die or suffer from Israel's policies before futile condemnations are translated into the kind of punitive policies that became commonplace with Apartheid South Africa?
rx

"these pigs are not even descended from Biblical Jews"

I guess the above statement clarifies your position. Real classy there Big Guy.

And you claim to be an educated man.

I bet your Momma is real proud. I think we are done here.

From K/J's post: Also, don't forget after the fall of Saddam, Iran presented the US with a 'grand bargain' to stop terrorism, make their nuclear program transparent and recognize the Arab Peace Treaty. Rice and Bush dismissed it.

Did everyone just miss this? Bush, cheney and all their war mounting propaganda blowers are all gonna dismiss the reports, the intel, and everyone else that says Iran is not a threat. They will dismiss it and do everything they can, which is keep saying "Iran is a threat, Iran is a threat, until enough people believe it. They will again, do everything to make you believe that if you don't believe that Iran is threat, then your not American, You don't believe in God, you don't support our troops.
It is the same frigging thing all over again.
We now have all the evidence America needs, to know without a shadow of a doubt, that Iran is NOT a threat.
After all the people that has been killed because of Bush's push to war with Iraq, without any justifyable reason, do any of you NEOCONS not see
what is going on here? Can't you understand it's not about securing this country. It's not about secureing anything but their power in the middle east.

Not even the IAEA thinks Iran is totally above board in this matter.
But, you would need to read to figure that out.


PARIS, Dec. 4 — The [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. on Tuesday publicly embraced the new American intelligence assessment stating that [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. had halted its nuclear weapons effort, but in truth the agency is taking a more cautious approach in drawing conclusions about Iran’s nuclear program.
A report last month by Mohamed ElBaradei, the international agency’s leader, was less categorical than the American finding.
The International Atomic Energy Agency says it has "outstanding issues" about Iran’s nuclear enrichment complex in Natanz.
“To be frank, we are more skeptical,” a senior official close to the agency said. “We don’t buy the American analysis 100 percent. We are not that generous with Iran.”
The official called the American assertion that Iran had “halted” its weapons program in 2003 “somewhat surprising.”

W.C. Fields said that "there is a sucker born every minute!' That's why there are so many on this board---sure cut back the U.S. military and believe Iran is NO threat.....suckers!!!:biggrin_25522 :