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Old 01.11.2008
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USA If you're going to make.....

and you thought I was serious huh? See, look how cool I am now . I even offered to erase my own interesting comment. I only came in the room to revise my report. Thanks, bye.








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Here you go, where does the 'Best Country in the World' land in this study of 19 Industrialized countries on health care for it's citizens...um lets see...oh...dang....we're dead LAST...

France is healthcare leader, US comes dead last: study

Tue Jan 8, 4:45 PM ET WASHINGTON (AFP) - France is tops, and the United States dead last, in providing timely and effective healthcare to its citizens, according to a survey Tuesday of preventable deaths in 19 industrialized countries.

The study by the Commonwealth Fund and published in the January/February issue of the journal Health Affairs measured developed countries' effectiveness at providing timely and effective healthcare.

The study, entitled "Measuring the Health of Nations: Updating an Earlier Analysis," was written by researchers from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. It looked at death rates in subjects younger than 75 that could have been prevented by timely and effective medical care.

The researchers found that while most countries surveyed saw preventable deaths decline by an average of 16 percent, the United States saw only a four percent dip.

The non-profit Commonwealth Fund, which financed the study, expressed alarm at the findings.

"It is startling to see the US falling even farther behind on this crucial indicator of health system performance," said Commonwealth Fund Senior Vice President Cathy Schoen, who noted that "other countries are reducing these preventable deaths more rapidly, yet spending far less."

The 19 countries, in order of best to worst, were: France, Japan, Australia, Austria, Canada, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, the United Kingdom and the United States.

Some countries showed dramatic improvement in the periods studied -- 1997 and 1998 and again between 2002 and 2003 -- outpacing the United States, which showed only slight improvement.

While the United States ranked 15th of 19 between 1997-98, by 2002-03 it had fallen to last place.

"It is notable that all countries have improved substantially except the US," said Ellen Nolte, lead author of the study.

Had the United States performed as well as any of the top three industrialized countries, there would have been 101,000 fewer deaths per year, the researchers said.
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And gee...LOOK...Canada is number 4...now about that!!!

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a foolish wisecrack about this being the best country in the world, why don't you move somewhere else? it's pathetic to think that way when you enjoy your freedoms and are even allowed to speak out about it.
I love my country as much as the next person but I'm not brain washed with the rhetoric. My point, which you seem to have missed, was we need to live up to our potential a lot more than we do.

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Exactly, Newbie. And no one's dying around here waiting for treatment and no one's dying SOONER because of delayed treatment, no matter what ronnocmot wants you to believe.
I made nothing up, those are your governments statistics.

In fact people ARE dying solely because of your health care system.

I understand you don't want to change, But I want people in this country to see what they would be getting.
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I love my country as much as the next person but I'm not brain washed with the rhetoric. My point, which you seem to have missed, was we need to live up to our potential a lot more than we do.

KJ

You see me as brainwashed and I see you as brainwashed. You are every bit as predictable as you claim 'us' to be. You say you love your country. Interesting way of showing it.
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You see me as brainwashed and I see you as brainwashed. You are every bit as predictable as you claim 'us' to be. You say you love your country. Interesting way of showing it.
Maybe that's because any attention given to how we can improve is viewed as 'hate America' first, ya think?

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refering to. If you scroll back a little, notice that I was in a good mood and I revised my initial report as to have better relations with my good ole' pal. See what kind of person I am ? Cool huh??







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I love my country as much as the next person but I'm not brain washed with the rhetoric. My point, which you seem to have missed, was we need to live up to our potential a lot more than we do.

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I made nothing up, those are your governments statistics.

In fact people ARE dying solely because of your health care system.

I understand you don't want to change, But I want people in this country to see what they would be getting.
Until you've lived here for a few years, you have NO IDEA what you're getting here.

They mopped around a woman in a waiting room at MLK in California as she BLED TO DEATH!!!! That does NOT happen here.

People are NOT dying here because they are not being screened early enough. That was a piece you quoted from the UNION, NOT the government.

The government just says we wait too long. That's it. No comments about dying.

Get your facts straight before you blast something about which you obviously know NOTHING.

I'm done with this thread. You don't live here so you are in NO position to judge. None whatsoever. You're last on the list, we are fourth. That tells me a lot more than anything you can say.

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Interesting article on canadian health care by a candian docotr a must read for those who want to socialize health care!!!!!!!!

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Some myths and truths...

The Case For Single Payer, Universal Health Care For The United States
By John R. Battista, M.D. and Justine McCabe, Ph.D.

  1. Why doesn’t the United States have universal health care as a right of citizenship? The United States is the only industrialized nation that does not guarantee access to health care as a right of citizenship. 28 industrialized nations have single payer universal health care systems, while 1 (Germany) has a multipayer universal health care system like President Clinton proposed for the United States.
  2. Myth One: The United States has the best health care system in the world.
  • Fact One: The United States ranks 23rd in infant mortality, down from 12th in 1960 and 21st in 1990
  • Fact Two: The United States ranks 20th in life expectancy for women down from 1st in 1945 and 13th in 1960
  • Fact Three: The United States ranks 21st in life expectancy for men down from 1st in 1945 and 17th in 1960.
  • Fact Four: The United States ranks between 50th and 100th in immunizations depending on the immunization. Overall US is 67th, right behind Botswana
  • Fact Five: Outcome studies on a variety of diseases, such as coronary artery disease, and renal failure show the United States to rank below Canada and a wide variety of industrialized nations.
  • Conclusion: The United States ranks poorly relative to other industrialized nations in health care despite having the best trained health care providers and the best medical infrastructure of any industrialized nation
  1. Myth Two: Universal Health Care Would Be Too Expensive
  • Fact One: The United States spends at least 40% more per capita on health care than any other industrialized country with universal health care
  • Fact Two: Federal studies by the Congressional Budget Office and the General Accounting office show that single payer universal health care would save 100 to 200 Billion dollars per year despite covering all the uninsured and increasing health care benefits.
  • Fact Three: State studies by Massachusetts and Connecticut have shown that single payer universal health care would save 1 to 2 Billion dollars per year from the total medical expenses in those states despite covering all the uninsured and increasing health care benefits
  • Fact Four: The costs of health care in Canada as a % of GNP, which were identical to the United States when Canada changed to a single payer, universal health care system in 1971, have increased at a rate much lower than the United States, despite the US economy being much stronger than Canada’s.
  • Conclusion: Single payer universal health care costs would be lower than the current US system due to lower administrative costs. The United States spends 50 to 100% more on administration than single payer systems. By lowering these administrative costs the United States would have the ability to provide universal health care, without managed care, increase benefits and still save money
  1. Myth Three: Universal Health Care Would Deprive Citizens of Needed Services
  • Fact One: Studies reveal that citizens in universal health care systems have more doctor visits and more hospital days than in the US
  • Fact Two: Around 30% of Americans have problem accessing health care due to payment problems or access to care, far more than any other industrialized country. About 17% of our population is without health insurance. About 75% of ill uninsured people have trouble accessing/paying for health care.
  • Fact Three: Comparisons of Difficulties Accessing Care Are Shown To Be Greater In The US Than Canada (see graph)
  • Fact Four: Access to health care is directly related to income and race in the United States. As a result the poor and minorities have poorer health than the wealthy and the whites.
  • Fact Five: There would be no lines under a universal health care system in the United States because we have about a 30% oversupply of medical equipment and surgeons, whereas demand would increase about 15%
  • Conclusion: The US denies access to health care based on the ability to pay. Under a universal health care system all would access care. There would be no lines as in other industrialized countries due to the oversupply in our providers and infrastructure, and the willingness/ability of the United States to spend more on health care than other industrialized nations.
  1. Myth Four: Universal Health Care Would Result In Government Control And Intrusion Into Health Care Resulting In Loss Of Freedom Of Choice
  • Fact One: There would be free choice of health care providers under a single payer universal health care system, unlike our current managed care system in which people are forced to see providers on the insurer’s panel to obtain medical benefits
  • Fact Two: There would be no management of care under a single payer, universal health care system unlike the current managed care system which mandates insurer preapproval for services thus undercutting patient confidentiality and taking health care decisions away from the health care provider and consumer
  • Fact Three: Although health care providers fees would be set as they are currently in 90% of cases, providers would have a means of negotiating fees unlike the current managed care system in which they are set in corporate board rooms with profits, not patient care, in mind
  • Fact Four: Taxes, fees and benefits would be decided by the insurer which would be under the control of a diverse board representing consumers, providers, business and government. It would not be a government controlled system, although the government would have to approve the taxes. The system would be run by a public trust, not the government.
  • Conclusion: Single payer, universal health care administered by a state public health system would be much more democratic and much less intrusive than our current system. Consumers and providers would have a voice in determining benefits, rates and taxes. Problems with free choice, confidentiality and medical decision making would be resolved
  1. Myth Five: Universal Health Care Is Socialized Medicine And Would Be Unacceptable To The Public
  • Fact One: Single payer universal health care is not socialized medicine. It is health care payment system, not a health care delivery system. Health care providers would be in fee for service practice, and would not be employees of the government, which would be socialized medicine. Single payer health care is not socialized medicine, any more than the public funding of education is socialized education, or the public funding of the defense industry is socialized defense.
  • Fact Two: Repeated national and state polls have shown that between 60 and 75% of Americans would like a universal health care system (see The Harris Poll #78, October 20, 2005)
  • Conclusion: Single payer, universal health care is not socialized medicine and would be preferred by the majority of the citizens of this country
  1. Myth Six: The Problems With The US Health Care System Are Being Solved and Are Best Solved By Private Corporate Managed Care Medicine because they are the most efficient
  • Fact One: Private for profit corporation are the lease efficient deliverer of health care. They spend between 20 and 30% of premiums on administration and profits. The public sector is the most efficient. Medicare spends 3% on administration.
  • Fact Two: The same procedure in the same hospital the year after conversion from not-for profit to for-profit costs in between 20 to 35% more
  • Fact Three: Health care costs in the United States grew more in the United States under managed care in 1990 to 1996 than any other industrialized nation with single payer universal health care
  • Fact Four: The quality of health care in the US has deteriorated under managed care. Access problems have increased. The number of uninsured has dramatically increased (increase of 10 million to 43.4 million from 1989 to 1996, increase of 2.4% from 1989 to 1996- 16% in 1996 and increasing each year).
  • Fact Five: The level of satisfaction with the US health care system is the lowest of any industrialized nation.
  • Fact Six: 80% of citizens and 71% of doctors believe that managed care has caused quality of care to be compromised
  • Conclusion: For profit, managed care can not solve the US health care problems because health care is not a commodity that people shop for, and quality of care must always be compromised when the motivating factor for corporations is to save money through denial of care and decreasing provider costs. In addition managed care has introduced problems of patient confidentiality and disrupted the continuity of care through having limited provider networks.
  1. Overall Answer to the questions Why doesn’t the US have single payer universal health care when single payer universal health care is the most efficient, most democratic and most equitable means to deliver health care? Why does the United States remain wedded to an inefficient, autocratic and immoral system that makes health care accessible to the wealthy and not the poor when a vast majority of citizens want it to be a right of citizenship?
Conclusion: Corporations are able to buy politicians through our campaign finance system and control the media to convince people that corporate health care is democratic, represents freedom, and is the most efficient system for delivering health care.
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