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Big Duker · **^ Top** #1 01.14.2008

I have no idea what this moron is thinking. He talks out of both sides of his mouth. Says he backs gun ownership, then has solicitor file motions backing gun laws.

Public 'threatened' by private-firearms ownership
Government argues gun restrictions 'permitted by the 2nd Amendment'
Posted: January 14, 2008
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

Paul Clement
Since "unrestricted" private ownership of guns clearly threatens the public safety, the 2nd Amendment can be interpreted to allow a variety of gun restrictions, according to the Bush administration.
The argument was delivered by [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. in a brief filed with the U.S. Supreme Court in the ongoing arguments over the legality of a District of Columbia ban on handguns in homes, according to a report from the Los Angeles Times.
Clement suggested that gun rights are limited and subject to "reasonable regulation" and said all federal limits on guns should be upheld.
"Given the unquestionable threat to public safety that unrestricted private firearm possession would entail, various categories of firearm-related regulation are permitted by the 2nd Amendment," he wrote in the brief, the Times reported.
He noted especially the federal ban on machine guns and those many other "particularly dangerous types of firearms," and endorsed restrictions on gun ownership by felons, those subject to restraining orders, drug users and "mental defectives."
His arguments came in the closely watched Washington, D.C., ban that would prevent residents from keeping handguns in their homes for self-defense.
(Story continues below)
Paul Helmke, of the pro-gun control Brady Campaign to Prevent Handgun Violence, told the Times he salutes the administration for its position.
But Alan Gura, who is heading up the challenge to the handgun ban, told the newspaper he was troubled Clement suggested more hearings on the case.
"We are very disappointed the administration is hostile to individual rights," he told the paper. "This is definitely hostile to our position."
Because of the specifics of the D.C. case, the ultimate ruling is expected to address directly whether the 2nd Amendment includes a right for individuals to have a gun, or whether local governments can approve whatever laws or ordinances they desire to restrict firearms.
The amendment reads, "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Clement is the Bush administration's chief lawyer before the court, and submitted the arguments in the case that is to determine whether the D.C. limit is constitutional. He said the 2nd Amendment, "protects an individual right to possess firearms, including for private purposes unrelated to militia operations," and noted the D.C. ban probably goes too far.
But the newspaper said most of Clement's new brief urges the Supreme Court to decide most current restrictions on guns and gun owners cannot be overturned by citing the 2nd Amendment.
He said the failing in the D.C. law is that it totally bans handguns in the homes of private citizens. But he urged the court to recognize, "Nothing in the 2nd Amendment properly understood … calls for invalidation of the numerous federal laws regulating firearms."
The Justice Department long had endorsed gun controls until Attorney General John Ashcroft in 2001 switched the department's position to support individual gun rights, the Times said.
The court's hearing on the case has not yet been held.
Clement clerked for Associate Justice Antonin Scalia and worked as chief counsel to the U.S. Senate Subcommittee on the Constitution, Federalism and Property Rights. He joined the Department of Justice in 2001 and moved into his current position in 2005.

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libertythor · **^ Top** #2 01.17.2008

The conservative wing of the Republican party has been reduced to mere platitude during the primaries, later to be replaced by ambiguities in the general election and then outright betrayal upon election.

There is ONE candidate that is trying to revive the conservative wing of the Republican Party.....

Ronnocomot · **^ Top** #3 01.17.2008

Yep, Fred....

libertythor · **^ Top** #4 01.17.2008

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Originally Posted by Ronnocomot

Yep, Fred....

Fred Thompson? The one who voted for the astronomical increases in government medicine and the Department of Education? The Fred Thompson that supports more integration with the governments of Canada and Mexico? The Fred Thompson that supports more increased spending on Homeland Security and a continuation of these costly wars?

Nope! He doesn't qualify either.

And if you discount anybody who isn't "top tier" also, it is time for conservatives to move to a third party and collapse the Republicans. The Republican Party was born the same way after all. It was the death of the Whig and Federalist parties that brought about the Republicans and elected Abraham Lincoln. (John C. Fremont was almost elected 4 years before Lincoln)

But why not simply support the true conservative candidate?

firstcav · **^ Top** #5 01.17.2008

The Paulettes are starting to remind me of radical islam.

When they start straping bombs to their azzes, I'm leaving.

libertythor · **^ Top** #6 01.17.2008

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Originally Posted by firstcav

The Paulettes are starting to remind me of radical islam.

When they start straping bombs to their azzes, I'm leaving.

Paul wasn't mentioned before you brought it up in this thread.

Ronnocomot · **^ Top** #7 01.17.2008

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Originally Posted by firstcav

The Paulettes are starting to remind me of radical islam.

When they start straping bombs to their azzes, I'm leaving.

I wonder how Mrs. L. Ron Paul would look in her burkqa?

libertythor · **^ Top** #8 01.17.2008

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Originally Posted by Ronnocomot

I wonder how Mrs. L. Ron Paul would look in her burkqa?

LOL There is no way that the Islamic fundamentalists could take over the US.....unless our overspending weakens our economy to the point that we can't defend ourselves, and that certainly wouldn't be the fault of a Paul administration.

Again! You all mentioned him by name.

firstcav · **^ Top** #9 01.17.2008

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Originally Posted by libertythor

Paul wasn't mentioned before you brought it up in this thread.

I figured with a name like libertythor, you're either a paulette, or a one of those "male" models for Abercrombie & Fitch.

libertythor · **^ Top** #10 01.17.2008

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Originally Posted by firstcav

I figureed with a name like libertythor, you're either a paulette, or a one of those "male" models for Abercrombie & Fitch.

So you are implying that liberty is a bad thing? Where is the House Committee on Un-American Activities when you need it? Just kidding.

I myself am not enthused that the federal government is proposing more restrictions on livestock....including making farmers report every time one of their herd is taken on and off their property. The cost of the chips and compliance would destroy family-owned farms. This a an affront to free markets and property rights.

Damn right I support liberty. Gun rights are not the only ones at stake folks. There is an all out attack on our individual liberties and free market capitalism. (What little is left of it anyways.)

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