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USA Pres Signs Exec Order To Allow Navy Sonar Training

Every now and then this President does do something I agree with.

Bush exempts Navy from environmental law

By NOAKI SCHWARTZ, Associated Press WriterWed Jan 16, 8:19 PM ET

Conservationists on Wednesday blasted President Bush's decision to exempt the Navy from an environmental law so it can continue using high-power sonar in its training off Southern California — a practice they say harms whales and other marine mammals.
The president's action by itself won't allow the anti-submarine warfare training to go forward because an injunction is in place, but the Navy believes it will significantly strengthen its argument in court. A three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco had been expected to make a determination on the future of the Navy exercises on Friday.
However, late Wednesday, the appeals court sent the issue back to the U.S. District Court in Los Angeles to consider first.
The White House announced Bush signed the exemption Tuesday while traveling in the Middle East. In his memorandum, Bush said the Navy training exercises "are in the paramount interest of the United States" and its national security.
Peter Douglas, the executive director of the California Coastal Commission, which joined in the lawsuit to provide the mammals greater protections from sonar, called the exemption unprecedented in California.
"I'm not surprised at all," he said. "It's typical for this Republican administration to ignore environmental protections under the banner of fear."
Attorneys for the Natural Resources Defense Council, which has been fighting the Navy's sonar training, said the group would file papers with the District Court to challenge Bush's exemption.
"The president's action is an attack on the rule of law," said Joel Reynolds, director of the Marine Mammal Protection Project at the Natural Resources Defense Council in Santa Monica. "By exempting the Navy from basic safeguards under both federal and state law, the president is flouting the will of Congress, the decision of the California Coastal Commission and a ruling by the federal court."
A federal judge in Los Angeles issued a preliminary injunction this month requiring the Navy to create a 12-nautical-mile, no-sonar zone along the Southern California coast and to post trained lookouts to watch for marine mammals before and during exercises. Sonar would have to be shut down when mammals were spotted within 2,200 yards, under the order.
The court found that using mid-frequency active sonar violated the Coastal Zone Management Act and Bush exempted the Navy from a section of that act. Complying with the environmental law would "undermine the Navy's ability to conduct realistic training exercises that are necessary to ensure the combat effectiveness of carrier and expeditionary strike groups," Bush said.
Scientists say loud sonar can damage marine mammal brains and ears. Sonar may also mask the echoes some whales and dolphins listen for when they use their own natural sonar to locate food.
But much is still unknown about how sonar affects whales and other marine mammals. For example, the sound can hurt some species while not affecting others, and experts don't fully understand why.
In an argument that has been going on for years, the Navy has continually said that the exercises are vital for training and that it works to minimizes the risk to marine life.
A statement from the Defense Department said that the new exemption covers the use of mid-frequency active sonar in a series of exercises scheduled to take place off California through January 2009 and that the Navy already applies 29 measures to mitigate the effects.
In a separate development, the Pentagon statement said, Navy Secretary Donald Winter signed a memo Tuesday agreeing to greater public participation and better reporting on the issue while officials complete an environmental impact study for Southern California.
Use of sonar "is part of critical, integrated training that must be done in the Navy's operating area off the coast of San Diego to take advantage" of features there related to water depth, as well as extensive ranges, airfields and other infrastructure needed for training, the Pentagon statement said.
About half the Navy's fleet will receive "its most critical, graduate level training" there before it deploys its forces around the world, it said.
Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Gary Roughead said that exercises with sonar train sailors to detect quiet submarines that might threaten its ships.
"We cannot in good conscience send American men and women into potential trouble spots without adequate training to defend themselves," said Roughead.
"The Southern California operating area provides unique training opportunities that are vital to preparing our forces, and the planned exercises cannot be postponed without impacting national security," he said in the Pentagon statement.
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Big Ducker, you know you agree with everything Bush does.......Or at last you defend everything he does. J/K
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Nothing new here...

The Navy has been operating mid frequency high power sonar for more than 50 years.

Now...there seems to be a problem with whales????

I find it amazing that whales weren't bothered for years and now the Greenpeace types are all in a fit. Typical of environmentalist wackos with an agenda to shut down the military or in this case the Navy.

The reason I say this is that the environmentalist wackos succeded in shutting down amphibious training on a beach adjacent to Camp Pendelton Marine Corps base for the reason of some local critter getting disturbed by the exercises.

Most realize that environmentalist wackos are socialists and more often communists in disguise anyway. They succeded with the Marines in So Cal...now they're going after the Navy as well.

The only reason the Army and Air Force aren't involved as well is because they're no bases close by enough to stop them as well.

The article points out numerous whale beachings after an associated nearby Naval exercise involving sonar.

I say BS about the Sonar being the cause of these beachings.

It's just a coincidence. A coincidence that the Greenpeace types are trying to turn into a political football.

Porpoise and whales alike...love sonar.

More specifically high power mid frequency sonar. The vibrations and the pressures it creates in the nearby water don't send them fleeing in fear like this article says, but it attracts them like a magnet.

I never heard of or experienced any mass whale beachings after a sonar exercise. And...I was a participant in many active sonar exercises for quite a number of years.

I haven't seen any whales or porpoise running(or swimming away) in fear of sonar either.

Don't get me wrong here either.

I love watching large marine mammals at play. Their play just isn't in jeapordy from Navy Sonar. Or for years it wasn't...it's just here lately that it's a problem. Imagine that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Once again..................................BS.
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I love watching large marine mammals at play. Their play just isn't in jeapordy from Navy Sonar. Or for years it wasn't...it's just here lately that it's a problem. Imagine that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WELL THAT WAS BEFORE THE STATE HELPED ALL THE LARGE MARINE MAMMALS GET THERAPISTS TO HELP THEM GET IN TOUCH WITH THEIR ANTI-US SIDE. NOW THEY ALSO HATE THE US LIKE PELOSI, BOXER,"BABS" STREISAND, AND THE REST OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF CA.
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WELL THAT WAS BEFORE THE STATE HELPED ALL THE LARGE MARINE MAMMALS GET THERAPISTS TO HELP THEM GET IN TOUCH WITH THEIR ANTI-US SIDE. NOW THEY ALSO HATE THE US LIKE PELOSI, BOXER,"BABS" STREISAND, AND THE REST OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF CA.

AWWW, Duker........It'll be Ok.
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