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I assume that you are either forgetting about, ignoring, or discounting the "Shock and Awe" campaign which launched our "non-war" against Iraq. Oh, that doesn't count. We weren't really "targeting" innocent Iraqis, they just happened to be in the way of our "smart missiles" when they didn't strike the exact "military" targets they were aimed at. Or when they hit the right targets, which just happened to have civilians in them.

One could just as easily make the case that whoever it was that flew two airliners into the Twin Towers on 9/11 weren't "targeting" innocent civilians -- they were targeting the buildings and 3000 civilians just happened to get in the way. The Pentagon, again whoever and whatever it was that hit that building, was not a civilian target -- it was decidedly military. Therefore it is even easier to make the case that anyone hurt or killed in that attack was not "innocent."

Using your logic, of course.

Since the "Shock and Awe" campaign, civilians have been directly targeted time and time again. I suggest that you read a newspaper. And stop eating your Fox News pablum.
Maybe if you would provide any kind of proof that,

Shock and Awe killed civilians
Civilians have been targeted time and time again.

Until you can, and do, I will take your comments for what they are, anti-war pacifist drivel.

I read 12 newspapers a day, from all parts of the world.

Not one of them is the Green Bay Press Gazette.
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Since the "Shock and Awe" campaign, civilians have been directly targeted time and time again. I suggest that you read a newspaper. And stop eating your Fox News pablum.

Civillians have not been directly targetted. How dare you. Make your arguments, you are entitled to your opinions. Are civillians affected. Yes, no doubt about that. However, modern warfare is designed to minimize the effect on citizens. You know this. This same war conducted by a democrat would be reported so differently. You are the one who needs to start reading.

I don't like warfare. Sometimes its necessary. I totally respect the rights of people to disagree with their government. But good grief, be honest about it. There would be millions and millions of dead if we targeted civillians. What a load of horse####.
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I totally respect the rights of people to disagree with their government. But good grief, be honest about it. There would be millions and millions of dead if we targeted civillians. What a load of horse####.

Just so long as they disagree with the same issues you do huh?? By some counts millions have been killed. i find that number inflated myself but how are we too know???just because a Fascist news channel or newspaper claims its a low almost nonexistent number hardly makes it so.
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Maybe if you would provide any kind of proof that,

Shock and Awe killed civilians
Civilians have been targeted time and time again.

Until you can, and do, I will take your comments for what they are, anti-war pacifist drivel.

I read 12 newspapers a day, from all parts of the world.

Not one of them is the Green Bay Press Gazette.
Funny, I don't generally read the Press Gazette either. I assume that from your dig you consider it a "bleeding heart left-wing pacifist rag," though how you would be able to classify it at all, since you don't read it, eludes me.

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No doubt you will ignore this study, as it doesn't actually say that the US "targeted" civilians. Apparently more than 600,000 Iraqis "just got in the way." Besides, some of them might actually have been resisting the occupying and invading forces. Gotta secure that oil for America's future, after all. That makes it hunky-dory. Oops, I forgot. This has nothing at all to do with oil. If the middle east had nothing but dates and camels, we still would have invaded. Uh huh.

It is a fact that the United States targeted Al Jazeera offices, killing civilians. It is a fact that civilians have been regularly killed at "check points" for not stopping their cars fast enough to suit the soldiers. That the soldiers felt threatened is moot. A soldier can always justify a kill -- and quite often the kill was, militarily, justifiable. That does not negate the fact that innocent civilians ARE targeted and killed. You choose to close your eyes to that fact. You have my pity, and my contempt.
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Civillians have not been directly targetted. How dare you. Make your arguments, you are entitled to your opinions. Are civillians affected. Yes, no doubt about that. However, modern warfare is designed to minimize the effect on citizens. You know this. This same war conducted by a democrat would be reported so differently. You are the one who needs to start reading.

I don't like warfare. Sometimes its necessary. I totally respect the rights of people to disagree with their government. But good grief, be honest about it. There would be millions and millions of dead if we targeted civillians. What a load of horse####.
I dare to speak the truth regardless of how unpopular it may be with any particular audience. That you reject the truth is not my fault.

Apparently you think I'm a democrat. Funny. It's always "Dems Vs Repubs," "Libs vs Conservatives" with some people. I try to align myself with the righteous -- whatever side they might be on. The United States is not righteous in this "non war" against Iraq. Indeed, it is evil. If that offends you, so be it.
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IF the civilians are harboring terrorist, then they should lay the Smackdown on their ### the same as the terrorist.

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MommaKay, the democrat reference was the fact that the media is very skewed and therefore inaccurate. And based on your previous post, al-jazeera offices, I had failed to think that you and I might have different definitions of civillians.
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No doubt you will ignore this study, as it doesn't actually say that the US "targeted" civilians. Apparently more than 600,000 Iraqis "just got in the way." Besides, some of them might actually have been resisting the occupying and invading forces.
You choose to close your eyes to that fact. You have my pity, and my contempt.
Seriously? You chose the Lancet study to back up your claims?

How many times has this study been debunked? Try to find something not financed by George Soros as your factual basis for your nonsense.
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MommaKay, the democrat reference was the fact that the media is very skewed and therefore inaccurate. And based on your previous post, al-jazeera offices, I had failed to think that you and I might have different definitions of civillians.
If terrorists target CBS or Fox News, are they striking a civilian target?

Al-Jazeera is a news agency. Biased in favor of Iraq? Naturally. Biased in favor of Islam? Of course. Nevertheless, a civilian facility.
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Seriously? You chose the Lancet study to back up your claims?

How many times has this study been debunked? Try to find something not financed by George Soros as your factual basis for your nonsense.
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