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Originally Posted by crazy canuk I will not say that slick willy was a good pres. I think that he was horrible. |
His policies were bad, but aside from his "I'm smarter than the world" approach, he wasn't completely horrible.
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As far as the Bush admin. thinking that Iraq had WMD they thought this over objections of the CIA who had many wrangles with the Neocon criminals that GWBush choose to surround himself with. The director of CIA actually had to threaten to go to the justice dept. if certain members of the DND did not stop spouting false intel to the American people.
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Doesn't seem that way from here, and our news on the matter was far better covered than that of any other nation. Nations around the world believed Iraq had WMD and they said so frequently... And you're not addressing the fact, Bush was hardly alone, up to and after the start of the war. People from both parties were in agreement.
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As far as the delay in the attack on Iraq goes, the admin. needed a reason to justify it and the terror attacks of 9/11 did just that.
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But you said he had decided to attack long before 9/11... If that was so, and if 9/11 gave him the chance... Why'd he wait till 2003 to attack?
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Do you forget all the lies that were used to try to tie Saddam into the 9/11 attacks.
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"All the lies" we seemed to hear were constant reminders that Saddam has been lobbing air attacks at planes in the "NO FLY ZONE" and that Al Qaeda had ties to Saddam... Nobody ever tried to tie them together difinitively in public... That is, they never said, "Here's how we know they were tied together beyond what we've said before" or things like that. They kept telling us they thought ties were deeper, but never told us "Here's the connection" to any serious degree.
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Colin Powell addressed the UN in a famous speech which made America look like Fools to the rest of the world.
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And we're supposed to care now? Whatever speech he gave hasn't changed a darned thing from the past 20yrs at this point. Many people of the world already hate America and think we're fools... And yet, we're still the country most of those people desire to move into so they can live a better life... Go figure...
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It cost him his reputation to the point that we hear from him no more.
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Hardly. The man retired and wanted to not be heard from after a very long career in the military. If you had his money and background, wouldn't you?
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The former director of CIA states that there was no plan on what would be done if the Iraqis did not welcome the US forces as loved liberators like GWB seemed to think they would.
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For the most part, they did welcome us. What you apparently never hear about is all the good that's being done in Iraq everyday... That country, by and large, is far better for the citizens today than it was when Saddam was in power.
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And as usual it's the brave patriotic heros that pay the ultimate price for this stupidy.
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Someone must be brave... Who'd you think would make the effort, France or Germany(who were dealing arms to them behind the scenes)? Cambodia? Who?
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The real battle should have been with international terrorism and while GWB fights his unwinable war in Iraq the real enemy is gaining all over the globe.
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The "real battle?" As if you've put yourself on the line to fight it? The real battle is being fought all over the world, where needed. We're seeing this war in many countries and where we find the enemy, we beat them. Maybe you've been to Afghanistan and for you, it's an easy place to move arond and fight in... I wouldn't agree.
There are "factions" of enemy combatants in various places and they're being hunted and have been engaged. Iraq is only one place. But it's one important place.
To call this war "unwinable" shows your personal retreat... Our citizens rarely think in such a way unless they've been "trained to" by the ever present folks who would rather run and HOPE that will work. One place they're not gaining in is MY country... America. Perhaps if the rest of the world stood up for what's right too, those enemies wouldn't be gaining ground in places you believe they are, or at least not as much as you seem to think...
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The lessens learned in Vietnam sure have been forgotten quickly
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Vietnam has been over for more than 40yrs... I know vets from that war and most of them have a mindset similar to mine... "Let the dog hunt!" Were it up to them or me, we'd have won in Iraq and Afghanistan by now, and other countries would have shown more will to fight and win to boot!
Instead, we have people like you all around the world, laying blame when they're not willing to make the effort to get the job done. So America gets blamed, from our leaders to those who also believe we can win... "The world thinks we're fools" but we're not being attacked while other countries are... I should add, Canada and Mexico aren't immune, but their greatest asset is AMERICA!!! Has been for ages... Longer than any of us have been alive, no doubt. Maybe you should show some thanks to those "brave" enough to die so that their families may live more peacefully and without fear of another massive attack like 9/11... Perhaps it will save you or someone you love... Even though you find no trouble in bashing the one country willing to do the job at the price to be paid... Thanks to people being worried about what "the world" thinks about America, we're being told how bad our efforts are and what mean people we are...
Were we mean when we defeated Nazi power, or Communism, or the Japanese Empire?? Were we mean when we beat the Brittish and won our freedom too? Were we mean when we took the necessary steps to insure freedom to those in S. Korea? Are we mean enough to keep Canada and Mexico free too? I suppose so... SO! Sometimes people simply must stick to their guns in order to remain free... And I, for one, would rather die in the process of keeping freedom, than die in bondage or fear...
I'm rather tired of bowing down to the will of the unwilling so that we don't look mean to the world... If we look mean, so be it... I'm free to leave if I decide I don't like it and you're free to avoid coming to America if you don't like it...