Ding Ding! Obama wins round 1
Ding! Round one goes to the dove with the dodgy name

Republicans used to beat Democrats on foreign policy every time. But now Obama is changing the nature of the fight


So, round one of the 2008 foreign policy debate goes to ... Barack Obama? Improbable as it seems, in the first direct rhetorical showdown of the general election campaign - over a question, foreign policy "toughness", that's been a perceived Democratic weakness since Vietnam - it was the guy with the thin foreign policy résumé, suspected by some of his compatriots of being a Muslim, who out-punched the war hero with the extensive résumé. And shall I add that the one with the thin résumé and the strange name has a dodgy position on the question at hand, and yet still won?

Now here's the important part. In the past two presidential campaigns, that's where this would have ended. The Democrat "responded" for the record, but somewhat perfunctorily, while the Republicans got their point across: the Democrats are appeasers, the Democratic nominee wants to talk to terrorists and he won't keep the country safe.

But the current version of the story ends differently. Last Friday, in South Dakota, Obama gave an extended and aggressive press conference in which he hit back hard. Bush and McCain, he told Americans, "are trying to fool you. They're trying to scare you. And they're not telling you the truth." He ticked off the lies that were told about Iraq and the benefits that would redound from making war there, noting that not one of the promises had come to pass.

The headline that afternoon on the influential blog of Mark Halperin, of Time magazine, conveyed the takeaway: "Bam!! Bop!!!! Bash!!"
After the Kerry loss of 2004, Democrats began to vow: we understand what happened. We're not going to let ourselves get outboxed and intimidated next time around, especially on national security. There was every reason in the world to think this was an empty promise.

Obama is doing something altogether different. He is standing for an alternative vision of how America should operate in the world, and he is defending it tooth and nail. I'm not sold on the idea that negotiations without preconditions with hostile powers are the world's best strategy. If the US had some leverage over Iran that might be one thing, but, in our current state, we have little. Still, this is one of those cases where the symbolic message of what Obama did last Friday is more important, for now, than the substance. He said: These people have screwed up foreign policy and security. I have a different way of doing things. And I'm not ceding an inch.

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You are right the republicans are reaching they are LACKING TESTISCULAR FORTITUDE!!!!!

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Obama is going to stomp a mudhole in Mcstains ### and walk it dry.McStain is Bush's fluffer and the country is tired of Bushco.I just wonder if near the end when he's really beat down if he'll give up some secrets so he can get better treatment like he did when he was a POW.

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I'm going to disagree with the "fluffer" comment. But, somebody needs to kick McCains ### and wake him up. About everything.

This guy just does NOT give a #### what anybody thinks. Least of all the public.

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King George or Obama ????

Not just McStain,but all of them.

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" Fights begin, finger prints is took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

"Haven't I told you a million times not to exaggerate"

"My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives. " Hedley Lamarr

CBA # 454

I see the Idiots Anonymous meeting let out early tonight.

Yes and those were some really nice cookies you brought along to share with us all as you told your story.Thanks

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" Fights begin, finger prints is took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

"Haven't I told you a million times not to exaggerate"

"My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives. " Hedley Lamarr

CBA # 454

Lets not cross the line and insult one another!!!!

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We're good so far, I just don't wanna see this thread cross the line....

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