looking around...stil no WMD found...gee maybe he shipped them out of the country..ya like that'd happen. He'd rather be caught and killed them use them in the last hrs of his freedom.....lol maybe he went back in time and dressed up like Rumsfeld and really sold them to hisself...lol maybe he sent them to the moon...
maybe he didn't have any and only wanted the world to think he did so the other nations around him as well as his own people would stay in line and leave him alone....

The Bush admin destroyed thousands on email memos..no outrage from Repubs tho. the sent classified emails outside of govt accounts..also no outrage.

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Is any of this familiar? Does it ring any bells? Oh that's right, weren't you guys calling anyone who even brought up this possibility in regard to Iraq tin hat conspiracy theorists? Yeah, I remember....I also remember how all these creeps in the administration tried to smear the CIA...oh wait...they still are!!


Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney are at it again.

Last week, Rumsfeld told the press we should be preparing for "[LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. ," saying of the war this administration has stirred up with its attack on Iraq that, "Just as the Cold War lasted a long time, this war is something that is not going to go away."
The last time Rumsfeld talked like this was in the 1970s, in response to the danger of peace presented by Richard Nixon.


In 1972, President Richard Nixon returned from the Soviet Union with a treaty worked out by Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, the beginning of a process Kissinger called "détente." On June 1, 1972, Nixon gave a speech in which he said:

"Last Friday, in Moscow, we witnessed the beginning of the end of that era which began in 1945. With this step, we have enhanced the security of both nations. We have begun to reduce the level of fear, by reducing the causes of fear—for our two peoples, and for all peoples in the world."

But Nixon left amid scandal and Ford came in, and Ford's Secretary of Defense (Donald Rumsfeld) and Chief of Staff (Dick Cheney) believed it was intolerable that Americans might no longer be bound by fear. Without fear, how could Americans be manipulated? And how could billions of dollars taken as taxes from average working people be transferred to the companies that Rumsfeld and Cheney - and their cronies - would soon work for and/or run?


Rumsfeld and Cheney began a concerted effort - first secretly and then openly - to undermine Nixon's treaty for peace and to rebuild the state of fear.


They did it by claiming that the Soviets had a new secret weapon of mass destruction that the president didn't know about, that the CIA didn't know about, that nobody knew about but them. It was a nuclear submarine technology that was undetectable by current American technology. And, they said, because of this and related-undetectable-technology weapons, the US must redirect billions of dollars away from domestic programs and instead give the money to defense contractors for whom these two men would one day work or have businesses relationships with.


The CIA strongly disagreed, calling Rumsfeld's position a "complete fiction" and pointing out that the Soviet Union was disintegrating from within, could barely afford to feed their own people, and would collapse within a decade or two if simply left alone.
As Dr. Anne Cahn, Arms Control and Disarmament Agency from 1977 to 1980, told the BBC's Adam Curtis for his documentary "The Power of Nightmares":

"They couldn't say that the Soviets had acoustic means of picking up American submarines, because they couldn't find it. So they said, well maybe they have a non-acoustic means of making our submarine fleet vulnerable. But there was no evidence that they had a non-acoustic system. They’re saying, 'we can’t find evidence that they’re doing it the way that everyone thinks they’re doing it, so they must be doing it a different way. We don’t know what that different way is, but they must be doing it.' "INTERVIEWER (off-camera): Even though there was no evidence.
"CAHN: Even though there was no evidence.
"INTERVIEWER: So they’re saying there, that the fact that the weapon doesn’t exist…
"CAHN: Doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. It just means that we haven’t found it."

But Rumsfeld and Cheney wanted Americans to believe there was something nefarious going on, something we should be very afraid of. To this end, they convinced President Ford to appoint a commission including their old friend Paul Wolfowitz to prove that the Soviets were up to no good.


Wolfowitz's group, known as "[LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. ," came to the conclusion that the Soviets had developed several terrifying new weapons of mass destruction, featuring a nuclear-armed submarine fleet that used a sonar system that didn't depend on sound and was, thus, undetectable with our current technology. It could - within a matter of months - be off the coast of New York City with a nuclear warhead.


Although Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld's assertions of this powerful new Soviet WMD was unproven - they said the lack of proof proved the "undetectable" sub existed - they nonetheless used their charges to push for dramatic escalations in military spending to selected defense contractors, a process that continued through the Reagan administration. Neocons and their propaganda, lies, manipulation and just plain Bull ####....



Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz helped re-organized a group - [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. - to promote their worldview. The Committee produced documentaries, publications, and provided guests for national talk shows and news reports. They worked hard to whip up fear and encourage increases in defense spending, particularly for sophisticated weapons systems offered by the defense contractors for whom many of these same men would later become lobbyists.


And they succeeded in recreating an atmosphere of fear in the United States, and making themselves and their defense contractor friends richer than most of the kingdoms of the world.


Trillions of dollars and years later, it was proven that they had been wrong all along, and the CIA had been right. Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Wolfowitz lied to America in the 1970s about Soviet WMDs and the Soviet super-sub technology.


Not only do we now know that the Soviets didn't have any new and impressive WMDs, but we also now know that the Soviets were, in fact, decaying from within, ripe for collapse any time, regardless of what the US did - just as the CIA (and anybody who visited Soviet states - as I had - during that time could easily predict). The Soviet economic and political system wasn't working, and their military was disintegrating.
But the Cold War was good for business, and good for the political power of its advocates, from Rumsfeld to Wolfowitz to Cheney who have all become rich in part because of the arms industry.


Today, making Americans terrified with their so-called "War On Terror" is the same strategy, run for many of the same reasons, by the same people. And by hyping it - and then invading Iraq to bring it into fruition - we may well be bringing into reality forces that previously existed only on the margins and with very little power to harm us.

Most recently we've learned from former CIA National Intelligence Officer for the Middle East and South Asia Paul Pillar that, just like in the 1970s, [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. in 2002 with Rumsfeld and Cheney about an WMD threat - this time posed by Iraq - even as Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Wolfowitz were telling America how afraid we should be of an eminent "mushroom cloud."


We've seen this movie before. The last time, it cost our nation hundreds of billions of dollars, vastly enriched the cronies of these men, and ultimately helped bring Ronald Reagan to power. This time they've added on top of their crony enrichment program the burden of over 2200 dead American servicemen and women, tens of thousands wounded, as many as a hundred thousand dead Iraqis, and a level of worldwide instability not seen since the run-up to World War Two.


When Hilary Clinton recently noted that the only political card Republicans are any longer capable of playing is the card of fear, she was spot-on right. They're now even running radio and TV commercials designed to terrorize our children ("Do you have a plan for a terrorist attack?"), the modern reincarnation of "[LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. ."


Now that former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge has confessed that many of the terror alerts that continually popped up during the 2004 election campaign were, as [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. noted on 10 May 2005, based on "flimsy evidence" or were >done over his objection at the insistence of "administration officials," it's increasingly clear that the Bush administration itself is the source of much of the "be afraid!" terror inflicted on US citizens over the past 5 years.
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This is exactly what the report is talking about...Criminals...these are traitors to America.

KJ

Of course not...all the waxing poetic on the floor of congress about the rule of law, blah, blah, blah...about Cinton...and not one peep out of them...until after they leave...and then not much we didn't already know.

There are still old farts around who think Nixon did nothing wrong...many of them are in the Bush administration....and of course there is the NEW crop.

KJ

KJ, There are those of us who believe that Nixon actually did wrong.

That said...Nixon did nothing "Different" that those who went before him...the only difference...

Nixon got caught and did the proper thing......RESIGNED

So...in keeping with the old idea of it's legal as long as you don't get caught.....

Nixon did nothing wrong....right up to the time he got caught.

The previous Prez types just had.......... undetected crime.

Don't get me started on Democrats and their "Crime Families"...I don't think I've got enough time before I go to work in the morning to sort all that out....maybe not enough next week either.

If Bush DID intentionally lie about WMD, why didn't he simply plant them over there to cover his ###?

Good lord there is a misnomer if I've ever seen one.


I've got no use for any of the elected morons in office. Dimocrat or Republican............. not a one of them actually do any thing good for America. They bamboozle the gullible into thinking they do when all they are really doing is help to drive America off a cliff for future generations.


This is the mental picture I get when I think of the white house, the house and the senate.

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1.He wasn't smart enough to think of it.
2.He didn't care. By the time anybody figured it out, it was too late.
3.He planned on blaming "everything" on Iran, once again.
4.All the above

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And how did he plan on "blaming everything on Iran?" And what did Iran have to do with Saddam's WMDs.....except the obvious: Saddam used them in Iran.

They've lied about everything else, and are blaming everything else on Iran, do you think it's beyond the rhelm of possibility?
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