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Do you know why there were such high levels of CO2 400m+ years ago? Ferns, the earliest land plants, were just forming during the Devonian. It took tens of millions of years just to get from ferns to forests, and then tens of millions more before the plants could release enough oxygen for there to be small forest reptiles. It wasn't until the Permian (299m years ago) that there was enough oxygen for the land animal population to explode. You can see that represented perfectly on the graph. You may notice that things start to level out more after that explosion.

The balance maintained between plant life and animal life (along with many other things) is responsible for the more recent stable state of the atmosphere. Sure, there are cyclical cooling and warming trends over the past few hundred thousand years, but you can see that the recent rise in CO2 and temperature does not fit in with those patterns.
I thought the fact that Neanderthal man drove an Escalade was the reason for warming getting started.
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If I chop down a fully grown oak and then plant 3 oak saplings, the chopped down oak still rots, therefore the size of forests is not related to the release of CO2 via decay of dead plants.

Deforestation always results in decay, which releases CO2 into the atmosphere. When that deforestation is for the use of wood, the smaller branches and foliage is left to rot. When that deforestation is for learing land, the plant matter also rots.
Who would chop down a fully grown oak, leaving it to rot and not use the "harvested" wood for something.......and locking all that "carbon" in the process?
Leaving the remains of wood harvesting to rot only adds to the general well being of the earth anyway. It adds nutrients to the soil, and returns the "carbon" back into it's endless cycle.
But I guess if you had worked over 20 years in the "forest products industry", you might actually know what you were talking about.
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Who would chop down a fully grown oak, leaving it to rot and not use the "harvested" wood for something.......and locking all that "carbon" in the process?
The whole tree is not used in the production of wood goods. Have you ever seen a desk made out of oak leaves?
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The whole tree is not used in the production of wood goods. Have you ever seen a desk made out of oak leaves?

No but our oak dining room table had extra "leaves" to make it expand larger in the middle when needing space for family reunions...lol
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No but our oak dining room table had extra "leaves" to make it expand larger in the middle when needing space for family reunions...lol
I love a good pun. Well played, sir!
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I love a good pun. Well played, sir!

thanks..seriously tho. I really hoped you would understand i wasn't mocking you, just being sarcastic.
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I understand. Politics can get really serious, it's important to get some perspective by lightening it up from time to time. Also, I love using that gif.
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If I chop down a fully grown oak and then plant 3 oak saplings, the chopped down oak still rots, therefore the size of forests is not related to the release of CO2 via decay of dead plants.
YOUR WORDS........show some intellectual honesty.
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YOUR WORDS........show some intellectual honesty.
I'm having trouble simplifying what I said to the point you'll understand it. Some things are made of wood. My desk is made of wood. Most homes have wood used in their construction. When one cuts down a tree in order to use it's wood in making things, they can only use some parts of the tree. You can't build a desk or a home from leaves or smaller branches, which make up a lot of the total mass of a tree. So, when one cuts down a tree in order to utilize the wood, much of the tree is not utilized and it rots, which releases CO2.
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I'm having trouble simplifying what I said to the point you'll understand it. Some things are made of wood. My desk is made of wood. Most homes have wood used in their construction. When one cuts down a tree in order to use it's wood in making things, they can only use some parts of the tree. You can't build a desk or a home from leaves or smaller branches, which make up a lot of the total mass of a tree. So, when one cuts down a tree in order to utilize the wood, much of the tree is not utilized and it rots, which releases CO2.
CO2 IS NOT a "green-house" gas.
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