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lobshot · **^ Top** #1 08.18.2008

So I am reading through the local paper this morning and find an article that must be erroneous and inaccurate. It refreshes my memory that scientific experts who just a couple months ago predicted that the artic ice cap was shrinking so quickly that there would be no ice at the actual north pole by the end of the summer. Hmmmmm.
Well, the ice gods must not have consulted with Al Gore because the ice coverage has actually increased. 30 FREAKIN PERCENT. Hmmmm.
How inconvienient.

roadkill439342 · **^ Top** #2 08.19.2008

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Originally Posted by lobshot

So I am reading through the local paper this morning and find an article that must be erroneous and inaccurate. It refreshes my memory that scientific experts who just a couple months ago predicted that the artic ice cap was shrinking so quickly that there would be no ice at the actual north pole by the end of the summer. Hmmmmm.
Well, the ice gods must not have consulted with Al Gore because the ice coverage has actually increased. 30 FREAKIN PERCENT. Hmmmm.
How inconvienient.

Global Warming has worked so hard, it needed to take an extended vacation in order to recouperate.

Rationalist · **^ Top** #3 08.19.2008

The process of global climate change that's colloquially called "global warming" is a lot more complex than a constant warming trend. One of the important highlights is more extreme weather, which can include extreme cooling as well as extreme heat.

Do you have a link to the local paper? It'd be helpful to see their citations.

lobshot · **^ Top** #4 08.19.2008

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The process of global climate change that's colloquially called "global warming" is a lot more complex than a constant warming trend. One of the important highlights is more extreme weather, which can include extreme cooling as well as extreme heat.

Do you have a link to the local paper? It'd be helpful to see their citations.

It was also on google......I think I used "artic ice coverage"
Global climate change has occurred since we were little slime balls in the water. My point was more the hysterical nature of the so called "experts".
If they were this wrong on something with this short of a lead time maybe they are wrong about some of their other predictions.

Mooniac · **^ Top** #5 08.19.2008

"Man made global warming" is nothing more than a myth!!! Show me any scientific proof that it exists.

Rationalist · **^ Top** #6 08.19.2008

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It was also on google......I think I used "artic ice coverage"

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Global climate change has occurred since we were little slime balls in the water. My point was more the hysterical nature of the so called "experts".
If they were this wrong on something with this short of a lead time maybe they are wrong about some of their other predictions.

"Global climate change" in the context provided by this thread means modern climate change that some experts (people who have degrees and who have spent years studying and demonstrating scientific information via the scientific method) tie to the release of greenhouse gasses by humans.

Fortunately, the evidence is really, really, really simple. CO2 has spiked since the industrial revolutions and average global temperature has followed along it's rise, which has been demonstrated again and again. We know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and we know that CO2 has gone up by 31% since the industrial revolution. The fact that we can go back hundreds of thousands of years and not see any other similar phenomena strongly suggests a causal link, but there can be no argument that there isn't a correlative link.

Ronnocomot · **^ Top** #7 08.19.2008

How long was the Industrial Revolution? A couple hundred years.

Age of the Earth? Generally accepted to be 4.5 billion years.

Recorded history? About 6000 years.

You do the math.

Rationalist · **^ Top** #8 08.19.2008

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How long was the Industrial Revolution? A couple hundred years.

And in that few hundred years the global level of CO2 has gone up 31%, which is unprecedented in recorded history, which is at least 600,000 years, thanks to ice core samples. That's 2/15 the age of the Earth.

Where did you get the 6,000 year figure from?

Ronnocomot · **^ Top** #9 08.19.2008

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And in that few hundred years the global level of CO2 has gone up 31%, which is unprecedented in recorded history, which is at least 600,000 years, thanks to ice core samples. That's 2/15 the age of the Earth.

Where did you get the 6,000 year figure from?

Recorded history can be defined as history that has been written down or recorded by the use of language, whereas history is a more general term referring simply to information about the past. It starts in the 4th millennium B.C with the invention of writing.

Rationalist · **^ Top** #10 08.19.2008

Ah, I concede that point.

Still, I don't see how that demonstrates your ultimate point. The ice core drillings establish very clearly the history of the world's temperatures and the levels of CO2 going back over 600,000 years. We can even see cycles of warming and cooling in that 600,000 years, but the current (last few hundred years) rapid rise in the levels of CO2 and temperature are not seen in those 600,000 years.

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