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USA Joe LIES to convention

Lieberman Misleads on Obama's Record

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Obama voted "to cut off funding for our American troops on the battlefield."
--Joe Lieberman on Tuesday, September 2nd, 2008 in St. Paul, Minn.
If Obama voted against funding the troops, so did Lieberman
Joe Lieberman, the independent senator from Connecticut, alleged in his speech at the Republican National Convention that Sen. Barack Obama had voted to cut off funding for men and women in uniform.

Lieberman issued the attack almost as an aside as he praised Sen. John McCain's approach to the war in Iraq.
"When others were silent about the war in Iraq, John McCain had the guts and the judgment to sound the alarm about the mistakes we were making in Iraq," Lieberman said. "When others wanted to retreat in defeat from the field of battle, which would've been a disaster for the U.S.A. - when colleagues like Barack Obama were voting to cut off funding for our American troops on the battlefield - John McCain had the courage to stand against the tide of public opinion, advocate the surge, support the surge and because of that, today, America's troops are coming home - thousands of them - and they're coming home in honor!"

Republicans have made similar charges in the past, such as when McCain himself said on Aug. 11, 2008, that Obama "tried to prevent funding for the troops who carried out the surge." We evaluated that claim here.
To support the charge, the McCain campaign has cited Obama's vote of May 24, 2007, against an appropriations bill that included funding for the military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan (and passed, 80-14).
So was that a vote "to cut off funding for our American troops on the battlefield"?

Not primarily.
Obama was fighting at the time for a requirement that President Bush begin to bring the troops home from Iraq. The bill in question DID NOT include such a requirement, and that is why Obama voted against it. Obama said at the time that he wanted to fund the troops, he just didn't want to fund the particular military strategy that the bill would enable.
"We must fund our troops," Obama said at the time. "But we owe them something more. We owe them a clear, prudent plan to relieve them of the burden of policing someone else's civil war."
Clearly Obama wanted to provide funding for the troops -- just not the president's military strategy.

If, by voting against funding for a strategy he opposed, Obama voted to "cut off funding for the troops," then so did almost every Republican in the Senate -- and Lieberman himself -- when they voted against a $124-billion appropriations bill on April 26, 2007, that would have funded operations in Iraq and Afghanistan but also required Bush to begin withdrawing troops from Iraq. (McCain missed the vote on that bill, which passed 51-46 and was subsequently vetoed by Bush.)

In a very narrow sense, yes, those votes were against military funding -- a portion of which goes to equip and pay the troops. So there is a grain of truth to Lieberman's attack. But because it is so misleading -- treating a strategic disagreement as a stand against men and women in uniform -- we find it laughably Barely True.
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Smurf, did you write this or is it from somewhere else?

If you find that what Joe said was misleading, uh, I guess you would also have to agree that it is very misleading when Obama has said he voted against the war, right?
Kind of a goose and gander thing.
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He lied!
But thats just what i'd expect from Joe LIEberman. (aka Alf's earth dad)
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Lieberman switching sides has always struck me as odd. I remember when comedian Dennis Miller switched sides. I always joked that someone paid him off.

I can't help but wonder if Lieberman was bribed to switch sides.
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Does he not sound like the dad from Alf?
gives me the damn creeps.
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He lied!
But thats just what i'd expect from Joe LIEberman. (aka Alf's earth dad)
No-he's a Smurf who's had THE OPERATION.
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Refusing to vote for funds, because you want the troops to come home now. Is only asking them to come home in a body bag.

I equate that manuaver to telling a starving child...we can't feed you today. Because we don't trust your parents. We still love you though.

Feed the child. You can deal with the parents later.

Or is that too difficult?

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Refusing to vote for funds, because you want the troops to come home now. Is only asking them to come home in a body bag.

I equate that manuaver to telling a starving child...we can't feed you today. Because we don't trust your parents. We still love you though.

Feed the child. You can deal with the parents later.

Or is that too difficult?

If I can't have my way...nobody gets anything. Takin my toys and goin home...waaaa waaaaa
I agree 100% on this. If he really wanted to bring the troops home so bad why didn't he draft some independent legislation proposing a timetable for troop reductions? He's playing politics at the expense of soldiers. He obviously couldn't be bothered to take some of his precious time and write up a bill on an issue he felt so strongly about.
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